To be scared that woke now means respectful

[Tricho]

The Mickey Rourke saga on CBB has really got me quite scared for society.

What he said to Jojo was absolutely fucking disgusting, but 90% of the reaction I've seen on SM is "omg woke snowflakes offended by everything mickey to win legend" or words to that effect and it's made me wonder is that where we are now ?

Is it now woke to show basic respect to others differences ? Conversely is it a show of protest against "wokeism" to head back to using slurs because- free country.

It's made me really scared. More of my friends are experiencing having slurs shouted at them in the street now (dyke, mostky) this just didn't happen as little as five years ago. Do people now feel like they can say what they like???

Very scared for society.

Yeah the post doesn’t say that 🙄.

The mental gymnastics some people on this thread are doing to excuse homophobia and misogyny are wild. And as @ItsUpToYou said “woke” is a word from the Black community meaning to be aware of structural racism and inequality. Being woke isn’t a bad or mockable thing, but thanks to its misappropriation by white people this is where we are. You’d think most decent people would agree that hate speech that could actually put someone in physical danger (the tying up/rape threat) is unacceptable in today’s world but apparently not.

Anyone who uses "woke" as a pejorative will always have meant it that way. And will always have been fucking idiots. These are MAGA hats and "own the libs" and arseholes.

When he mentioned tying JoJo up, I assumed it was a reference to the movie he’d done — the one they’d been discussing — where he ties up a woman. It seemed like a nod to that scene rather than anything serious or threatening. I’m not easily offended, so I didn’t interpret it as shocking.

Yes, YABU to be scared that woke now means being respectful.

Idiots in the media screaming 'woke' at every turn get nothing more than an eyeroll from me, as I've stuck with the original meaning of being woke. As a black woman, it's my business to be/remain woke, so I tend not to get distracted by the other noise.

Really no idea what was said but I’ve found wokeism really polarising. All your opinions have to be the right ones otherwise you are in the wrong/ cancelled / none of your opinions have any validity.

I don’t think life really works like that were all entitled to opinions and discourse helps us find a workable middle ground even if that’s just agreeing to disagree.

Yes "woke" originated in the black community in the US, and now is more often used as a term of derision, but people are missing a step here. There was an intermediate phase where it was misused and overused by mostly white middle class lefties, who called out every tenuous microaggression or alleged incidence of cultural appropriation they could find, and then patted themselves on the back for being "woke". And that's how it was able to easily morph into a term of ridicule.

I try to be respectful to all people (might struggle with Trump though) and have been told I am woke by my son which I took as a positive.

i really don’t understand why you are scared that woke means respectful?

The cbb thing is a good example though in why this didn't work.
Jojo slightly pulled him up on it, it was a male peer that shut it down, then mickey was given a warning for homophobic language and apologised (begrudingly). Jojo never screamed for him to be put in the stocks etc
Thats a pretty text book handling

However the online fury against jojo is massive for simply being there and being upset initially.

People are accusing her of all sorts. They are furious that he was reprimanded. Theres whole hate pages etc about her, and about how he is the victim of society

People don't want to agree to disagree. They want to say whatever they want, dress it up as truth and decry anyone that challenges it as snowflake woke cry babies.

YAbu for watching bb and using sm for reasonable response! Sorry.

Exactly this.

The problem is the opposite of what the OP alludes to.
People don't feel as though there is free speech anymore in the UK.
There is nowhere to express an alternative view and argue it out in a proper debate. You either 'agree' with the current way of thinking or you are a Racist, Mysogonist. Ableist, Sexist,...etc etc. You cannot have an opposing or slightly different view without being labelled like this.
I wonder what happens in Schools now (well actually oiver the last 10 years at least) are kids taught how to debate and the value of it?
It is as @totk says " ... how people learn, through being challenged by others."

I'm frightened for the future where Free speech doesn't actually exist and I see how this 'works' in my continued travels with work around the world.

👏👏👏 Otherwise known as Democracy.

YABU. What he said is not okay, but their reaction is ridiculous. Whinging and crying and banging on about OMG MY FEELINGS WERE SO HURT.

Like, okay. You were offended. So what? Have some resilience and move on with your damn life instead of trying to control everyone around you to think and act and speak as you think they should.

I didn't say that.

But you're wilfully ignoring that that is what was implied in the post I quoted.

I copied and pasted you.

You've just proven my point.

“You’re offended, so what?” sounds harmless, but it’s a dangerous road.

It says the problem isn’t the slur — it’s that I dared to care.

That kind of thinking normalises hate by shifting the issue onto the person hurt, not the person causing harm. It’s not strength, it’s apathy dressed up as toughness.

Progress doesn’t come from silence. It comes from refusing to let this shit slide.

And ironically, telling people what they’re allowed to feel, what they’re allowed to be offended by, and what they’re allowed to speak up about? That’s real Orwellian thinking — silencing dissent under the illusion of protecting “free speech.”

What a load of rubbish. People should be allowed to say what they want. If you don’t like it, it really is your problem.

It is a dangerous road if we try and control free speech.

I take it you disagree with fighting misogyny then?

Men should be allowed to call women sluts, whores and God knows what else because free speech.

Imagine you make a point in a meeting, a man turns round and says shut up you daft slut- that ok is it?

A black person cuts you up in traffic, you should feel well within your right to roll your window down and shout the N word at them because free speech! Not your problem if they get offended.

A teacher calls your child stupid at school - you wouldn't go up there I assume, teacher was just exercising free speech and we can't get in the way of that right?

You're talking shit.

You’re cute. But it’s a shame your parents didn’t teach you any resilience.

Answer my questions. Should all of those things be allowed?

It's a shame your parents taught you to be a pick me

Your questions are ridiculous and warrant no answer.

A “pick me”? What are you talking about? Is it possible you could speak any more nonsense? 😆

Of course you can say what you want. But you don't get to boohoohoo when people call you out or don't want any part of you. That's not controlling free speech. It's people dealing with the consequences of the stances they take and the words they use.

Shame your parents didn't teach you resilience. Poor, poor snowflake, crying about being cancelled. So sad.

I’m an advocate for people saying whatever they want, and that includes both sides.

Wail and whinge and whine and stamp your feet and cry OH BUT WHAT ABOUT MY FEELINGS! as much as you want.

If you want to spend your life miserable trying to control everyone else’s behaviour instead of focusing on what you can change, that is your choice.

Surely that applies to jojo too? She gets to whine, complain and call him what she wants then? And you can't complain about that?

Or is just free speech one way?

If your dictating a reaction then that's not free speech at all.

Are you deliberately missing the point? 🧐 Everyone should be able to say whatever they feel regardless of which side they’re on.

I’m not the one trying to control what people are saying.