To be sick of all the newspaper articles saying lies about DLA and PIP

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To get any DLA or PIP you have to be significantly disabled. To get the higher rate of either part you have to be severely disabled.

A motability car is not free, it's rented. To get one you need to either be unable to walk 50 metres or have a severe learning disability, which is very difficult to get.

It's always happened but since the stuff in the news about changes to PIP it's got worse.

Articles in the newspapers claiming you can get a free car for bed wetting, which just doesn't happen. There will be children like my ds who get DLA because they have a number of problems including bedwetting but nobody gets high rate mobility for bed wetting on its own.

There are other articles about people claiming PIP and DLA for various minor sounding conditions and I am so fed up with it. I know from experience that the newspapers will have talked to people claiming PIP/DLA and twist everything they say to make them sound like a scrounger.

All these articles are giving off the message that anyone with any minor disability can claim loads of benefits.

When?! Please can you quote because that is bizarre - I haven’t reported anybody, ever.

Oh I agree but equally that doesn’t match with what PP says about how everyone will meet their own needs in future.

Isn’t that an ableist comment? Along with the ones calling me stupid and whatever else?

This has absolutely nothing to do to with the thread.

The reason this topic is even being mentioned is because you're using it in your argument.

You should probably check your posts then.

Oh FFS. I answered your question truthfully and it's not good enough for you ?

As to the issue of biological men in women's prisons, I believe that's being addressed after some high profile cases where it all went very wrong. As I said, quite clearly, the system is by no means perfect.

PIP needs to be abolished and replaced with a different benefit.

I don’t need to because I didn’t say it. Why don’t you just quote where I said this?

You’ve written endless abelist and disgusting comments about autistic people and you’re concerned that I might be being mean to a mouse because I stated (factually, per the article) that it has had part of its brain removed?

Ok…

She reported me for calling her ableist, just to warn you.
She asked questions, and when I answered refused to engage, then told me I had an aggressive posting style so would ignore me. So, after I'd said I had ADHD, and explained I didn't understand, she told me that she couldn't be bothered. Which is why I called her ableist.

She's twisting everything everyone says in true debating style rather than actually seeking answers.

I'm going to bed now, but good luck everyone.

I too am upset by all the shitty false newspaper articles.

But how do you know if the designer handbag was paid for by PIP or by the person's wages? Or are people claiming PIP just to be banned from buying designer handbags? Which then defeats the point of PIP which is to level the playing field so that a disabled person can buy things others do as some of their extra costs due to disability have been alleviated.

I did not report you.

Go on, humiliate me by quoting where I said that? Because you can’t.

Embarrassingly Toast I think you’ve confused me with another poster because that entire paragraph is completely alien to me and I don’t even recognise your username.

No, just your general descriptors for people of low intelligence are unnecessary and spiteful. I wouldn’t and haven’t called anyone ‘stupid’ or ‘half brain’.

I am sad and don't work so have a lot of time on my hands.
I see you.
You seem to think ND issues are something new. Yes, they are for middle aged women because the whole ND diagnostic system is based on boys, and not girls. Middle aged women are getting diagnosed now because the system was not set up for them when they were kids.
I have seen you post on threads where you state that mums on PIP can't possibly be that disabled if they also have kids.
You have said that someone who does not want to live with their partner is refusing to do so to claim benefits and should be sanctioned.

I do have a number of beliefs around the benefit system that are not popular with hard left claimants, yes. I’m not sorry. I want the benefit system to be rigorous and strong for people who desperately need it - I want it to be all singing and dancing for people like PP’s son who had cancer, or PP’s son who is non verbal and has severe learning difficulties. For this to happen we can’t be making payments to over 5 million people, because we don’t have the money to do that. So I make no apologies in saying I don’t think an adult with no learning difficulties and ADHD should be getting benefits. There is a certain level of life difficulty that we should bear without expecting financial recourse.

I think the PP was presenting a broad overview. As an autistic adult, I have a certain amount of control over my life that means I can make things easier. Children don't have this in the same way - they have to go to a specific school, do specific kinds of work, with specific people, fit in with their family etc.

Plus, autistic children are still learning. It might take an awful lot more time and energy to learn things that come naturally to NT people (although depending on the individual not everything can be learnt). So if you think of it more as being years behind their peers in some respects. All tiny kids have to learn not to hit, to deal with overwhelming emotions, or other people. There is an autistic little one in my family (infant school age) and their parents are taking great care to teach them how to manage their emotions, make friends, generally deal with other people etc.

You keep going on about ADHD
I know a fair few people with ADHD and they the all work in mostly good jobs.
None of them are on PIP for ADHD.

This thread and others are giving me flashbacks to the sadly demised "State of Fear" threads during Covid.

I think (as with most things in life, and as was pointed out to me earlier) there's a middle ground being missed.

Autism and ADHD diagnosis for women was largely inaccessible for years because of sexism in medical research (as is the case for many conditions). Awareness of ADHD in women and girls increased and with it, so has the diagnosis rate. This, in itself, isn't a bad thing.

I think the comorbidity is that so many people seem to be very focused on finding their identity and their "community", which may account for the rise in people identifying as trans, neurodiverse, whatever else. Some elements of people discovering their identity is positive - I'm thinking about people choosing Welsh medium education for their children where I live and increasingly identifying as Welsh, as one small example - but when you have this convergence if neurodivergence and needing an identity/community, it's leading to people falling into the "sick role" and not taking responsibility for their actions.

I hear a lot of "it's not my fault, it's my ADHD" from people (including friends) who are self diagnosed. I don't accept that as an excuse; I was diagnosed in 2017 and medicated for 5 years until I had to stop taking it. For the last two years I have not been medicated and have had to develop coping mechanisms and strategies, because I won't allow myself to shrug my shoulders and say "it's my ADHD". I don't think it's unfair to say that some people sometimes use their neurodivergence (diagnosed or otherwise) to avoid responsibility and accountability.

Equally, on the PIP and ESA topic, I just want to see more support for people with disabilities to be able to work before they start taking benefits away. I could work, but I'm not getting hired in the jobs I can do (still plugging away at the applications), so right now, I can't work. That doesn't mean I'm scrounging or claiming falsely - I've been assessed as LCWRA, but I believe I can still offer employers something, so I'm trying but it's not easy. More support, more incentives for companies to hire disabled people, more work from home roles - if those exist, people like me will be able to move off benefits naturally, which would surely save the government a chunk of money?

We've had the "so many people are on PIP for ADHD" argument on another thread. It turns out the stats being quoted included anyone who'd declared ADHD on their application, regardless of what else they had. So that would include me, who's a physically disabled wheelchair user, but who also happens to have ADHD. It's on there because you declare everything, not because it would be anywhere near getting me PIP on its own.

One day, you could be someone needing benefits.
You are one stroke or accident away from it.

'Hard left'? What planet are you on?

Oh dear. Did Ogli G turn you down?

Let’s hope it’s an uninhabited one. Much better for all involved.