Baby born after womb transplant

[Wildflowers99]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/34329085/womb-transplant-baby-hope/

I’m not really sure how I feel about this.

On one hand it all seems consensual and fine, and nice that they’re all happy.

On the other it seems yet more expansion of surrogacy-type science, making pregnancy/babies a sort of human right that we should go to any lengths to make possible for people. And all the ethical/moral issues around that.

What do you think?

That's a good way of explaining it 😊

You mean the family as I already stated.

Well all I can say is they all seemed like switched on people, level headed, humble. If you want to think there is no way one human being would want to help another in this way then I guess just carry on thinking like that.

You have every right to think that. I have a right to disagree and think she is selfish and not fit to be a parent as she puts her child's life last and her wants above that.

That child will be very loved. That child is very much wanted. Not a child born by accident.

We do not know that it will be loved.

The baby was already shown to be put at risk and that was ok by the mum as her wants to have the baby inside her trumped the baby being safe. The mother has already shown she puts herself first and her desires are more important than the child and the child being safe.

Many children born by accident are loved. It is quite wrong for you to assume and imply that unwanted pregnancies cause unloved children. Many children that are planned are also not loved.

Both those planned and unplanned can be and are often loved.

Both those planned and unplanned can live in homes where there is no love for them.

I specifically said that as you were implying she would be a selfish mother due to the nature of her pregnancy and birth.

Right so there is no guarantee that any baby born will be loved, so I'm afraid that isnt an argument for one pregnancy choice over another then is it!

This is insanely cruel, judgemental and patronising. I simply do not believe you have watched interviews with the family and can really think this

She is a selfish person and already put her baby last. Why would that change?

The arguments are many and each person has different reasons for thinking it is unethical. One that she had been told was the case.

How is it cruel? She wanted to experiment on her baby's life. She knew it could kill her child. She said that carrying the baby was more important to her.

Carrying the baby was her focus. Her want. That she'd happily put her child's life at risk for. She was offered surrogacy but she said no. Carrying the baby was her main aim.

I was happy to engage with other posters but your just a bit too cuckoo for me

Why are you using mental health as a slur and also calling someone mental because they disagree with you and because I posted that she had been told that getting ethical approval was an issue. That is basically because you cannot debate maturely so have to resort to using stigma to label me as mental because I disagree.

Thus proving that you do not agree with what you posted before about believing women could make their own choices as you do not believe I am capable. You are suggesting my belief is down to my brain being abnormal.

I have to say I have read this whole thread and haven’t seen one reason that a rational, intelligent person would find this specific case unethical

People who are finding negativity in this lovely uplifting story are just coming across as bitter, hateful, misogynistic beyond belief and - in the case of those who are worried about men getting womb transplants - so daft I really hope they’re trolling

What about exposing the baby to immunosuppressant drugs while in utero? I don't feel that's been sufficiently tested to be certain it's safe.

This is not a new procedure. As others have said, it’s just the first in the UK. I would be surprised if they would keep doing the procedure over the years if there was evidence of serious adverse effects on the baby

A significant increased risk of miscarriage, still birth or premature birth and it's associated complications is enough to make the ethics questionable for me. If you don't agree that's ok but you don't get to call me names just because you don't agree with me. That's what people who don't have full confidence in their own position do.

They have been experimenting for about a decade and out of around 100 pregnancies, only around 50 babies have survived. I'd say failure to survive (foetus) and death (still birth and premature complications) of half of the pregnancies is a serious adverse effect.

You’re all over this thread saying you oppose it on the grounds that organ trafficking exists.

Now it’s suddenly about the risk of miscarriage. You could oppose all women over 35 having babies for the same reason. Do you?

Your reasons are completely incoherent. It’s clear you are just looking for something, anything to hold onto because this procedure makes you personally uncomfortable.

Your posts are dripping in the very specific misogyny I see all the time on mumsnet, directed by women with children at childless, infertile or childfree by choice women. It’s ugly and hateful and I hate to see it. And I hate even more to see it presented as feminist.

Yes you come across as utterly irrational. I await my deletion message

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9260640/#:~:text=More%20than%2080%25%20of%20recipients,%2C%20living%20donor%2C%20and%20child.

How many miscarriages vs still births?

Miscarriage is a risk any woman takes on when she becomes pregnant. There are many reasons the risk of miscarriage may be significantly elevated, and this is just one of them. Unless you believe older mothers and mothers with underlying health conditions are also unethical I don’t see what’s so different about this case.

I personally believe miscarriage is a risk for the mother, not an adverse effect for the baby, who after all also wouldnt exist if the mother had never attempted the pregnancy.

But I am sensing you are perhaps religious and believe life to begin at conception? In which case I see why you are so opposed and I respect your right to that opinion.

Thanks for this.

for those who don’t want to click:

Findings
In this cohort study including 33 uterus transplant recipients, US centers had high rates of technical success, with 74% graft survival (23 of 31 recipients) at 1 year. More than 80% of recipients with a viable graft at 1 year after transplant (19 of 23) achieved at least 1 live birth; uterus transplant was shown to be safe for the recipient, living donor, and child.

I hope you don't get deleted because I believe you have a right to express yourself. I have repeatedly said I wouldn't have this surgery and given MY reasons for it. At no point have I said it should be banned.

And you would have no way of knowing this but I was told I was infertile when I was 19 after being diagnosed with endometriosis and ovarian cysts. I have had multiple surgeries. I do have children. And it was a struggle to have them. I have also had a full hysterectomy due to Stage 4 endometriosis and adenomyosis which plunged me into surgical menopause. At times during my journey to parenthood I considered surrogacy but ultimately I couldn't get my head around the morality of it and had all but given up before my last surgery finally allowed me to conceive. You can continue to call me names and accuse me of misogyny for asking for rigorous debate about the ethics of this procedure. I don't know you and I don't care what you think of me. But I am allowed an opinion even if it's one you don't like.

A child born by mutilating one woman to service the desires of another. A mother so ungrateful they are planning a second child.

Selfish entitlement.

You seem nice

How long have been doing it? The link the PP shared said 2016, so the oldest child would now be around 8 years old? That's absolutely nowhere near long enough to find out if there are consequences for them.

These are not just babies, these are individuals who cannot consent to being tested on. It's not misogynistic, bitter or hateful to care about babies.