Baby born after womb transplant

[Wildflowers99]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/34329085/womb-transplant-baby-hope/

I’m not really sure how I feel about this.

On one hand it all seems consensual and fine, and nice that they’re all happy.

On the other it seems yet more expansion of surrogacy-type science, making pregnancy/babies a sort of human right that we should go to any lengths to make possible for people. And all the ethical/moral issues around that.

What do you think?

I'm sorry Mr Brown we will have to cancel your kidney transplant operation as it has been brought to our attention that a Mr Grey is currently being human trafficked by organ harvesters in Argentina who wish to make profit on the sale of his kidneys, so despite the fact your operation is completely legal, above board and consenting, we will no longer be providing organ donations until we can be absolutely certain that no bad people anywhere in the world are taking advantage of the system, as it wouldn't be fair for you to be happy when Mr Grey obviously isnt happy.

I wonder why you keep feeling the need to repeat yourself. People are allowed to have different opinions. Yes you did say all of that before. So I'll say again - kidney donation is extremely safe and the vast majority of those who donate go on to lead perfectly healthy lives and in many cases living longer lives than the average life expectancy. Hysterectomy is different. And yes there are some live donations that I would personally disallow because of the risks to the donator. None of this is new to anyone who has read the thread. We disagree. I think your black and white thinking about the wider implications of an experimental procedure is a bit worrying but ultimately I respect your right to hold your beliefs and to share them.

Your missing the point I'm making. Your saying one woman shouldnt be happy because potentially another woman might not be happy, in this case in relation to a particular type of operation. Is that a view that you apply to all things in life?

Of course not. But there is a difference between one woman not being happy because she can't get a pair of shoes and asking another woman to give her her pair of shoes and one woman not being happy because she doesn't have a functioning womb and asking another woman to give her her womb. You are being disingenuous and deliberately refusing (or are incapable) of understanding wider ethical issues. It can't possibly be beyond your understanding to realise that we do not live in a society where people can just get what they want because it makes them happy without examine the impact it might have on others?

Well we do live in a society where we are able to get what we want. We are a developed country. But we also live in a civilised society and live by rules, regulations, morals and laws. This person is doing what they feel is required to be happy and it's all above board, consenting, legal and doesnt involve another human being having something bad happening to them against their will. And whilst it's very sad that somewhere in the world another person might be on the receiving end of illegal or immoral behaviour, you can't go around banning things just because someone somewhere might use the system immorally. The internet would be an example of that.

Firstly who said anything should be banned.
Secondly, this isn't only about the impact of women "elsewhere". The procedure involves three human beings. Not just one. Even in the UK it involves 3 human beings. One of whom can not consent and the other is likely to have experienced some kind of emotional pressure.

Oh and of course, just because something is legal, it doesn't make it right.

Kidney donation is not extremely safe. It is serious surgery, with all the risks that come with serious surgery.

Potential donors are screened for suitability. Physically and mentally.

So you think this woman shouldn't have been allowed as she put pressure on all family members so it in effect cannot be said that the donor fully consented without coercion and pressure.

Well we do live in a society where we are able to get what we want.

Not true.

Of course not. And?

Watch the family being interviewed please. A loving happy family. A sister who absolutely wanted this. Unless of course you think it was AI generated and she wasnt actually happy and consenting.

No emotional pressure- please listen to the people involved. And no baby consents to being born so that's a non argument.

Sorry I didn't make it clear- as far as any surgery can be kidney donation is safe. But no surgery is risk-free. Less than 1% of kidney donors experience any serious complications and there is a mortality rate of 0.03 percent. This is lower than the estimated 0.1-0.5 percent for hysterectomy.

Oh a family can be loving but the pressure being put on each person when they are all asked will be immense. Therefore consent cannot be said to have been freely given without any pressure.

It's not a non-argument to me and many others who see this research as being to the detriment of roughly 50% of the foetuses/babies involved who did not survive or died.

Ok you believe what you want to believe then and not believe the words coming out of anyone's mouth. I really think you havent even listened to the people involved.

I have listened and that is why I have come to that conclusion. Have you never felt like you have to do something because everyone else is - such as put money into a collection for someone's baby gift at work etc? The pressure is there. I've said I'm happy for someone who had a baby at work and was pleased they liked their gift but also felt pressure to contribute. Both can be true at the same time.

I think the only way it could have been a completely free choice on the part of the donor would be if it had been her idea in the first place.

Well ok yes that part of it does come down to the issue of when does a life matter. People will have different views on that. Which ties in with the reason why some people are against abortion as they see a fetus as someone who shouldnt be 'murdered' as they would put it.

Well the sister is happy with her choice.

And who else was?

Who else was, what?

Some people just don't trust women to know their own minds. It's a story as old as the patriarchy time.🤔

All these people rushing to the hospital to get a womb transplant that made the sister think oh I'd better get involved too