New view on mental health

[Finallylostit]

Read this today. This Doctor is refreshingly honest and a thought provoking perspective on the explosion in the mental health industry

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14576559/REAL-cause-explosion-autism-depression-psychiatrist-DR-ALISTAIR-SANTHOUSE.html

That's really not what autistic is. It might be what some self diagnosed or misinformed people think but it’s not what autistic is. At all.

@Itssofunny you've mentioned your perspective as a teacher. You therefore may not be aware of the more lifelong impacts of autism.

Many autistic adults without a learning disability struggle to live independently. It's at the stage after school when young adults are expected to live independently without the structure and scaffolding of family and school that many autistic adults' true struggles become very evident.

Still don't see the offence. I was saying downs syndrome is easy to diagnose as it is black and white due to it being chromosomal whereas autism isn't chromosomal so not as black and white for diagnosis. What is wrong with that ?

You are cherry picking. The annoyance was when you said Down syndrome doesn’t have a range. The point is you are autistic or not. You have Down’s syndrome or not.

The impact of both is a range. There is literally not one single condition where people are impacted to a different degree.

I quite clearly said downs syndrome doesn't have a range in terms of diagnosis but the effects can differ.

No you didn’t. Go back and read.

You know exactly what you were getting at.

Our child is not ND but many people all over the years have come up with all sorts of suggestions because even they are professionals they are badly educated what is ND and what is not. So any child with any speech delay, or toilet delay or being simply clumsy ( they call it dispraxia) or whatever or has sensitivities or dislikes particular food is deemed in the larger English society as just having some sort of autism, which yes in our case is not the truth.

however the same professionals who work with kids with autism work with NT normal kids like mine who might need toilet advice, or eating advice or speech and language and so we just hire them to work with us or when we go on online forums , that is what it is.

This post is genius. This minister is spot on. No one knows what ND is but everyone seems to claim to be able to know.

HSP, shy, sensitive, real autism, all swept under the same rug. And guess what, I am against all that and this is why like this minister.

Bear in mind I do not say to anyone in real life my child is ND. Speaking to people on forums is another matter.

You are sharing a lot of information on this thread that is wrong - funding for a diagnosis for example - I suggest you educate yourself before continuing to comment.

Like for example one of our teens suddenly developped what looks like PDA. And everyone shouting on a forum: yeaahhhh, it is PDA. They were masking all this time. ( observe, people give me a diagnosis on a forum - I am there only for info not to get a diagnosis. )

Some more rounded people suggest that no, they are just a teenager. So it turned our my child had just a phase of being a bit obstinate and as I come from a traditional culture, I have a bit of authoritative demeanour, so the way I speak comes across sometimes bossy.

So there it is. Breath now, England. You can be as different as you want, no need of labels.

Yea read the Guardian or listen to the BBC
I just read the article
Could not agree more

I am not sharing any information not giving advice to anyone. I have been through the system trying to enforce things on my child which she never had, and the fact that all her so called issues were resolved with just one page of advice given by the correctly trained professional who dared listening to me rather than ticking boxes has proved the point of the poster posting the thread and the point this minister is making.

No they exposed Saracens rugby club cheating
Also won loads of awards for excellent reporting just a few below

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Are you/they mixing up ‘autism’ with ND? Whilst the ND spectrum includes autism, it can means someone without an ASC but who has other NDs - such as dyslexia, dyscalculia, ADHD, PDA, ODD. Propensity for people to have multiple NDs which may include Autism means that people often confuse them. They are not synonymous.

Sorry if I’ve misunderstood your post.

I agree completely. It’s gone from a fairly unusual, and clearly defined diagnosis to an incredibly nebulous, individualised, broad, hard to grasp concept which applies to virtually anybody who exhibits any behaviour outside of a narrow stream of ‘neurotypical’ behaviours.

I don’t know a single ‘NT’ person. Everyone I know has a unique personality trait, a mental health struggle, issues with socialising or the demands of modern life. Yet everyone seems to assume everyone else knows some kind of secret they don’t about how to live an efficient, happy, resilient, sociable life. It’s like the Emperor’s new clothes, but in reverse - everyone is walking around assuming everyone else finds things easy.

Everyone assumes their own case is special and different, and ‘ok people struggle but not as much as me/my child, we’re really deserving of X or Y expensive support’. But we cannot fund bespoke educations and mental health treatment, along with PIP/DLA, for a quarter of the population.

Labour have pulled the rug out from under everyone’s feet because there is no other option. Continuing to prop up the idea of ‘neurodiversity’ isn’t actually helping anyone - all it’s doing is leading to more diagnoses, a swamped system, more benefit claims, and more people who feel they’re different and should have the right to opt out of life and society while being supported by a dwindling pool of resentful workers.

@Riaanna

yes i did

"downs syndrome doesn't have a range though. it's a chromosomal abnormality which is very very easy to test for.
The way that impacts a person may differ but the actual syndrome is black and white that you either have it or you don't"

not sure why this so difficult for you.
In terms of diagnosis, down's syndrome is black and white
effects of that condition may differ.
So again, what's wrong with that?

Nice chat gpt answer

People want to galvanise a thread by just actually sharing their experience - not the case. You want to have your own opinion - do have it. Some of my child's friends do got diagnoses , she is attracted to ND friendships. So she has sensitivities but she does not have a diagnosis.

someone is jealous or do I have to be made to be uncomfortable for the fact many well wishers wished things on my child but she keeps prospering in good health and sound mind. Well, thank you very much but keep that for yourself.

You are talking nonsense. You are never going to get an autism diagnosis for delayed toileting, speech or shyness etc. It vis not regarded as autism by professionals. Kids with autism struggle to get a diagnosis let alone those which aren’t.

Diagnosticians really do know what they are talking about and there is a process for screening for diagnosis let alone an actual diagnosis.

And as for “they call it dyspraxia”. My dd has this on top of her autism and adhd, it is awful to live with. So ignorant to be so dismissive about it.

I as a mother have dig through mud and diamonds to help my child's issues. Diagnosis were not given, some amazing professionals helped us and resolved the issues. I am not expert you know on ND or not. There are so many presentations in kids and people these days but there are people who just wanted to claim my daughter had this and that but they were not medical professional just nursery workers because according to her words she has seen it now all and yes, my daughter therefore has this or that. I am advocating for specifications and have devoted big part of my life to precision on terms. Not English, so forgive me

it is explained in my post, read my last post before this one. I am glad it is nonsense because we are at the other end of this bull S and coming ever so strong. Thank you very much. It is on me.

And for those who actually are autistic? What’s your point here? That an open was kept by professionals? That you rely on social media for parenting advice?

Thank you :)

Only its impact does have a range. That’s the point being made.

Autism, just so you know, is also black and white. You are or you are not.

What rubbish.

Saying it “applies to virtually anybody who exhibits any behaviour outside of a narrow stream of ‘neurotypical’ behaviours” is both incorrect, abelist and offensive.

Having “a unique personality trait, a mental health struggle, issues with socialising or the demands of modern life” isn’t going to get you a diagnosis and isn’t autism.

My dd has had years of hospitalisations on a loop, tried to take her own life multiple times, needs support with food and many things others take for granted, needs her EHCP package to get an education , needs the teams which support her MH, her meds……If you think we should pull her care I can think of a whole host of other things we should be pulling from funding too.

Pulling her care will work out a whole lot more expensive trust me. Her being employable one day and out of hospital will save this country a fortune.

For those who diagnose it is still clearly defined. The blurred lines are when people rely upon TikTok for their information. That isn’t a diagnostic problem. That’s a society issue that extends way beyond autism.