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Anti Trump Protests Across US

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Somethingthecatdraggedin7 · 06/04/2025 07:09

Is this the start of a fightback?
Anti fart protests in more than 1000 cities across the US.
Tens of thousands massed in Washington with placards and banners.
Luckily for the orange shit and his cronies these are not violent thugs like his maga fans who broke into the Capitol threatening murder.
It is going to be a long, hard fight back to normality for America but AIBU to think that the tide will turn?

Anti Trump Protests Across US
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Reallybadidea · 07/04/2025 09:19

StandFirm · 07/04/2025 09:15

The fact it's absent from the Fail is quite revealing. I think the focus won't be put on it over here either as long as the UK is seeking a trade deal with the US. (As an aside, I wouldn't want our government to compromise on freedom of speech for the sake of it though - that would be an unacceptable compromise).
The total number of protests was closer to 2000 events if you count ones in smaller towns. It all added up to about 5 million people. The interesting thing is that it happened in every state (including red ones) and towns big and small, which indicates a grassroots movement from the ground up. Less spectacular visually than one big protest in DC with 1 million people but much more indicative of the fact that ordinary Americans are not all marching to the beat of the same drum...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14575427/elon-musk-protestors-donald-trump-dc-los-angeles-new-york.html

Thousands of anti-Musk protestors swarm city streets as Trump golfs

Protestors took to the streets on Saturday to protest President Trump and his 'First Buddy,' Elon Musk, but Trump had other plans.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14575427/elon-musk-protestors-donald-trump-dc-los-angeles-new-york.html

StandFirm · 07/04/2025 09:24

Ah ok! It wasn't there when I looked yesterday! Happy to see it is being covered there too.

BustingBaoBun · 07/04/2025 09:26

How do you know 'it doesn't change a thing'

The next round of protests are already planned for end of April. Those that say it doesn't change a thing actually want it to not change a thing.

I went to the Tesla Takedown in UK protest and there was surprisingly a fair few people there, more than I imagined there would be, and the support from drivers honking horns was amazing. (Bus drivers, taxi drivers, cars). I support those in the US who didn't vote for this shitshow.
(p.s. I wasn't paid to attend 😂)

For those that think Protest marches don't change a thing need to read a brilliant post on here by @user109876543 at 08.50

Fimofriend · 07/04/2025 09:30

needabiggerpatio · 06/04/2025 15:50

There's evidence that some of these are not true grassroots protests, but rather people paid to protest and bussed in. Even if the protestors are genuine, I wouldn't take it as a meaningful sign. There have always been people who hate Trump. There were many who would happily protest against Trump before he was elected, immediately after the election, or whenever. A large part of their identity is simply 'I hate Trump', so... Doesn't change a thing.

No, Trump is the one who pays people to demonstrate and show up at rallies. That has been thoroughly documented.

However, there has never been any proof that the Democratic party or any NGO has ever done that. Don't believe what Trump and his allies say. They are simply proving that thieves think everyone steals.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/04/2025 09:38

I think everyone knows there are people who oppose Trump. Just wondering what they hope to achieve ...

A nice day out perhaps, @Livelovebehappy?

Doubtless it'll have been a lot of fun winding each other up about how awful Trump is, but while that's undeniable they might do better to address what the Democrats got wrong so we can all hope this kind of thing doesn't happen again

hobbledyhoy · 07/04/2025 09:48

user109876543
I'm really puzzled by the sort of inert defeatism of some of these responses. Of course it makes a difference. It creates forward motion, connection, a feeling of common cause, shows that you don't have to slink away and hide if you disagree in a democracy, you can still have a voice. It shows the world that the US isn't one hive mind, it shows our children that you can and should stand up. It puts elected officials on notice that their constituents might not like what they're doing - they're the ones entrusted with the power to stand up to this and it's always worth pointing out that that power can be removed in the next election if they're not representing their voters.

Do I think it will change Trump or force the administration out? Of course not, but no forward progress or social movement in history has been accomplished by people accepting the status quo.

Absolutely all of this, a most eloquent response and an extremely important point - standing up for what you believe is never a waste of time.

BustingBaoBun · 07/04/2025 09:51

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/04/2025 09:38

I think everyone knows there are people who oppose Trump. Just wondering what they hope to achieve ...

A nice day out perhaps, @Livelovebehappy?

Doubtless it'll have been a lot of fun winding each other up about how awful Trump is, but while that's undeniable they might do better to address what the Democrats got wrong so we can all hope this kind of thing doesn't happen again

Would you have said the same thing to the Civil Rights Marches or the Vietnam Marches or the Sufragettes marching with placards fighting for the right to vote.

Sadcafe · 07/04/2025 09:54

As other posters said, Trump only won a couple of million more votes than Harris, democrats won’t generally like what he’s doing and not all republicans will either, but, as the republicans control both houses, coupled with his executive orders, nothing is seriously likely to change until the mid term elections and even that’s not guaranteed.At best almost four more years of the same, worst case, Vance runs and gets elected next time

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/04/2025 10:00

Fun? They're not protesting for fun, they're protesting because Trump is ruining their economy, their democracy and their country.

The Republican Party would do well to address why they chose a lying felon and proven threat to democracy as their candidate. They didn't have to. Other Republicans were available. Instead they picked Trump and along with the country and the global economy, he's wrecking the GOP.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/04/2025 10:01

BustingBaoBun · 07/04/2025 09:51

Would you have said the same thing to the Civil Rights Marches or the Vietnam Marches or the Sufragettes marching with placards fighting for the right to vote.

Yes, I would and did with the first two - I'm old, but not old enough to have been around for the third!!

But then, while having every respect for peaceful protest I've little faith that banner-waving and snarling changes much and much prefer more measured routes

Less fun perhaps, but often more effective in the end

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/04/2025 10:09

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/04/2025 10:00

Fun? They're not protesting for fun, they're protesting because Trump is ruining their economy, their democracy and their country.

The Republican Party would do well to address why they chose a lying felon and proven threat to democracy as their candidate. They didn't have to. Other Republicans were available. Instead they picked Trump and along with the country and the global economy, he's wrecking the GOP.

Edited

Agree completely with your second paragraph, TooBigForMyBoots, but I stand by my remark that these protests are "fun" for many attendees

Unfortunately I've known too many who are all up for a "demo" and get themselves wildly excited about the day, but are conspicuously absent when asked to follow up with anything that isn't quite so Instagrammable

BustingBaoBun · 07/04/2025 10:09

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/04/2025 10:01

Yes, I would and did with the first two - I'm old, but not old enough to have been around for the third!!

But then, while having every respect for peaceful protest I've little faith that banner-waving and snarling changes much and much prefer more measured routes

Less fun perhaps, but often more effective in the end

And what are the more measured routes in this particular instance? People are going along to their Town Halls and strongly questioning their Republican Senators, so much so the Senators are not turning up. They are flooding phone lines and writing to their Democrat Senators, millions are taking to the streets in protest... I want to know about the measured routes.

YankTank · 07/04/2025 10:13

needabiggerpatio · 06/04/2025 15:50

There's evidence that some of these are not true grassroots protests, but rather people paid to protest and bussed in. Even if the protestors are genuine, I wouldn't take it as a meaningful sign. There have always been people who hate Trump. There were many who would happily protest against Trump before he was elected, immediately after the election, or whenever. A large part of their identity is simply 'I hate Trump', so... Doesn't change a thing.

I went to two Trump protests in his first term. Fox News said both protests were by paid protesters. I am still waiting for my cheque, and unsure where to make my claim…

BustingBaoBun · 07/04/2025 10:13

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/04/2025 10:09

Agree completely with your second paragraph, TooBigForMyBoots, but I stand by my remark that these protests are "fun" for many attendees

Unfortunately I've known too many who are all up for a "demo" and get themselves wildly excited about the day, but are conspicuously absent when asked to follow up with anything that isn't quite so Instagrammable

And what about the millions who are following up? They just get dismissed because a few are doing it for fun? What % do you think? You say 'many attendees.

1,400 protests and very many millions took to the streets but they are dismissed?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/04/2025 10:18

BustingBaoBun · 07/04/2025 10:09

And what are the more measured routes in this particular instance? People are going along to their Town Halls and strongly questioning their Republican Senators, so much so the Senators are not turning up. They are flooding phone lines and writing to their Democrat Senators, millions are taking to the streets in protest... I want to know about the measured routes.

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You just mentioned some of the better routes yourself, BustingBaoBun Smile
Another example is to arrange group discussions with representatives, and then if they fail to show up publicise that so that others can see what's being ignored and what isn't

Trouble is, things like this involve more commitment and aren't so good for plastering all over a SM account

MrsSkylerWhite · 07/04/2025 10:19

Livelovebehappy · 06/04/2025 17:17

And the protests will achieve what? Yes, it will show that people are unhappy. But other than that, he's not going anywhere. If i was American I'd be more thst unhappy with his interference in Israel and Ukraine. I'd want him focusing on Americans, not getting involved in other country's issues.

They may embolden other nations not to roll over quite so readily and stand up against his ridiculous tariffs.

StandFirm · 07/04/2025 10:25

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/04/2025 10:09

Agree completely with your second paragraph, TooBigForMyBoots, but I stand by my remark that these protests are "fun" for many attendees

Unfortunately I've known too many who are all up for a "demo" and get themselves wildly excited about the day, but are conspicuously absent when asked to follow up with anything that isn't quite so Instagrammable

Many of my own friends who went protesting on Saturday sent me pics of their posters whilst at the same time telling me to leave my personal phone at home (with said pics) when I travel Stateside. That doesn't sound like people just having fun. The same people also started to feel nervous about being out in the open - but at least they still believe that they won't suffer any retributions, that we're not quite at that stage yet, and thankfully there were no incidents (that I know of) involving pro-Trump crowds - but they were out there because they are now truly anxious about the future and feel like the very soul of their country is at stake.

BustingBaoBun · 07/04/2025 10:25

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/04/2025 10:18

You just mentioned some of the better routes yourself, BustingBaoBun Smile
Another example is to arrange group discussions with representatives, and then if they fail to show up publicise that so that others can see what's being ignored and what isn't

Trouble is, things like this involve more commitment and aren't so good for plastering all over a SM account

And that is what very many people are doing. And publicising when they don't turn up. And showing footage of the huge strength of feeling against what is happening when they do turn up.

And going on a protest march.
And it is publicised.

The trouble with your post is.. you are dismissing everyone else because of a few IGers. You are suggesting it isn't worth their while... you need to tell the many millions who protested with good intent that.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/04/2025 10:42

And that is what very many people are doing

I know, @BustingBaoBun, and all credit to them
As for all those out on the streets who are doing it in good faith, I wouldn't dismiss them exactly - more just believe it's a bit pointless

Many of my own friends who went protesting on Saturday sent me pics of their posters whilst at the same time telling me to leave my personal phone at home (with said pics) when I travel Stateside

I'd expect that, @StandFirm, because it's a popular narrative and part and parcel of winding each other up
Trouble is it doesn't have much basis in reality, because most pulling-aside in immigration is done on the basis of intelliegence already received, a few banners are unlikely to reach the threshold for concern, and they certainly don't have time to trawl through everyone's phones at random

BustingBaoBun · 07/04/2025 10:55

As for all those out on the streets who are doing it in good faith, I wouldn't dismiss them exactly - more just believe it's a bit pointless

When you label it as pointless, I am beginning to wonder what your point actually is!

Those that feel the country has been taken over by an administration who is only out for themselves, and enabling tax cuts for his billionaire cronies whilst fleecing the poorest in society, their only recourse is to protest, surely. Trump has zero understanding of economics and his henchmen stand up for him through fear.

because most pulling-aside in immigration is done on the basis of intelliegence already received

Tell that to the father who was deported to an El Salvador jail, even though he is legally entitled to remain in the States. An administrative error apparently. And still not home.

YankTank · 07/04/2025 11:03

BustingBaoBun · 07/04/2025 10:55

As for all those out on the streets who are doing it in good faith, I wouldn't dismiss them exactly - more just believe it's a bit pointless

When you label it as pointless, I am beginning to wonder what your point actually is!

Those that feel the country has been taken over by an administration who is only out for themselves, and enabling tax cuts for his billionaire cronies whilst fleecing the poorest in society, their only recourse is to protest, surely. Trump has zero understanding of economics and his henchmen stand up for him through fear.

because most pulling-aside in immigration is done on the basis of intelliegence already received

Tell that to the father who was deported to an El Salvador jail, even though he is legally entitled to remain in the States. An administrative error apparently. And still not home.

He’s not coming home. They’ve already said so—that it was an administrative error, but too bad—nothing will be done. This is scary AF, but people don’t seem too concerned, possibly because he’s not white.

Goldenbear · 07/04/2025 11:22

MrsFrumble · 06/04/2025 21:30

No, but it lets other elected representatives know that their constituents are not happy, and if they want to be re-elected in future they might want to stand up for them. At the moment all Republican representatives - even the more traditional ones who previously opposed Trump - are going along with his bullshit, and most house Democrats are standing around tutting and shaking their heads but doing nothing (with the notable exceptions of Al Green, Cory Booker, AOC and Bernie Sanders).

Also on the point of everyone knowing that there is opposition to Trump; I live in a very red state, where voter apathy is a huge problem. Significantly more people didn’t vote at all than voted for Trump, and given the demographics it’s likely that many of them didn’t bother because they thought their vote wouldn’t count. Seeing people out there protesting will let them know that there are in fact plenty of non-Trump supporters and maybe incentivise them to vote in future.

It is highlighting to those apathetic voters that it isn't true that systems in society or 'society' itself is not important. Republicans want voters to believe that the world is made up of a bunch of individuals whose whims and familial backgrounds are what governments should attend to. It also highlights that their apathy or even protest by not voting at all is not some statement to the wider world, they have tacitly doubled the Republican's win.

DdraigGoch · 07/04/2025 11:29

user109876543 · 07/04/2025 09:05

I can't verify this, but apparently this is what he said on Fox News

It's amazing how many words he can use to say absolutely nothing. 'They were there because they were there, apart from the ones who were there because others were there'

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/04/2025 11:30

It's not part and parcel of winding eachother up and it's not for fun.🤨 Americans are afraid.

vandelier · 07/04/2025 11:34

I really hope this kind of protest gets huge momentum.

However, when I think of the Brexit protests here and what that achieved......

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