To want Porn Star Martinis to be renamed?

[samarrange]

I don't think I'm a prude, but I feel a bit self-conscious ordering "A porn star martini, please". It's a shame because I quite like them.

We went into a "family-friendly" bar from a chain called "The Lounges" (every one has a different name, like Albero Lounge, Edmundo Lounge, etc) and on the menu there it says "Passion Fruit Martini... a cocktail fit for a movie star", which nicely conveys the idea without everyone having to explain to their curious 7-year-old reading the menu what a porn star is.

(The same chain has also renamed Sex On The Beach" to "Lounge On The Beach"... that one wouldn't put me off so much in the original form, but I don't like peach flavour drinks anyway 😂.)

I’m squeamish about asking for a Virgin Mary 🤦🏻‍♀️

Most kids are literate these days. It’s all very well to say ‘don’t order them’ or ‘use a different name’ but I’d rather not have to explain to a 5 or 6 year old who has read that part of the menu what the names mean tbh.

😂

You can ask for a passion fruit martini with a shot of prosecco on the side?

Yes, this.

A lot of people seem to be assuming that everybody is either an adult or otherwise 3 years old or under, with nobody in-between.

Most tweens (maybe younger) and teenagers will know of the existence of porn; potentially, a parent asking for a PSM at a family meal may be enough to trigger a hormone-fuelled teenager to say they need to go to the toilet and take their phone with them...

And as for slightly younger children who don't know what porn is yet, you can't just brush them off with a 'it's a grown-up thing', like you might a pre-schooler, and not expect a curious child to Google it.

Moreover, I think the people saying that the cocktail names alluding to (non-porn) sex are just referencing a normal, natural human behaviour are being disingenuous.

Going to the toilet is an even more common normal human behaviour - as children do it as well - but I can't imagine a 'similarly hilarious' cocktail in the menu named Runny Bum Gravy being naturally accepted without any complaints and entering general use amongst those ordering drinks!

I'm even more of a prude ..I don't like the use of the word porn in normal language. Food porn, property porn.... just yuck.

It’s very tacky and dated.

And it’s all very well saying ‘it’s an adult name for an adult drink’ but it assumes that being a porn star is glamorous or desirable in some way.

So misogynistic, IMO.

I can’t stand sweet sticky cocktails so never order the ones with dated Magaluf names anyway but they do scream ‘tacky not classy’ on a menu

Being political is different from being a prude.

(and as you say.. that ok too)

And Screaming Orgasm shouldn’t be allowed under the trades description act .

Unless there is a secret ingredient I have never been served.

Why is a 7 year old reading a cocktail menu.
And if we're getting prissy over names of cocktails, why not stop calling them cocktails?

Lots of places have one menu - the kids’ meals and the booze are in one booklet.

Also, there are multiple meanings for the word ‘cock’ and the word ‘cocktail’ doesn’t come from the slang term for a penis.

www.diffordsguide.com/encyclopedia/2292/cocktails/origins-of-the-word-cocktail#:~:text=Coquetel%20was%20a%20term%20for,turned%20it%20into%20'cocktail'.

I’m quite comfortable discussing where the name actually comes from with a child and if someone with a dirty mind can’t think of any origin for the name other than a penis and does the ‘fnaar, fnaar, it has the word ‘cock’ in it’ routine, that says more about them really and I have no problem launching into a purposefully boring lecture about the true meaning of the word (possibly with example websites).

@CarrieOnComplaining
Never even heard of that one.

Just sounds like another trick men have devised so they can laugh at and make women look stupid if they actually go up to a bar and ask for these ridiculously named cocktails.

Why play into this game? If people just didn't buy these overpriced over hyped things then the bars would have to think again.

The stupid thing is, I like sweet drinks (yes, I have the tastebuds of a teenager) and I quite like the look of a lot of these cocktails including the screaming orgasm but I am never, ever going to order one simply because of the name.

Well, that went whoosh over your head didn't it??!!
Put your pearls away

I … don’t think I’m the one where a comment went over someone’s head.

Also, no, I’m not going to ‘put my pearls away’ when it comes to either porn or the relentless exposure of children to inappropriate sexual information / commentary. I’m sorry you don’t see it as a problem but I do.

Haha I agree - if it’s me and the girls or me and OH - I’ll happily say porn star martini out loud.

But it’s one of my favourite cocktails which I’ve or others have ordered when our with family - and the order becomes a quiet whisper.

Maybe it’s meant to be an adults only thing??

I'm with you op it's just unnecessary not particularly appropriate or appetising. A while back there was a burger take away who named all their burgers after pornography stars/sex acts. It put me off so I didn't order.

I just want the world to stop normalising a industry that is very damaging to everyone but particularly women and children. I certainly don't need the mention of it anywhere near food and drink. I absolutely should be able to avoid it in day to day life.

I actually agree with this. An adults only cocktail bar is quite entitled to have sexualised names for the drinks if that’s the atmosphere they want to promote. There’s nothing wrong with a bit of innuendo between consenting adults after all!

I just don’t want to explain what an orgasm is and why it is ‘screaming’ to a 6 year old over Sunday lunch, possibly in front of the rest of the extended family and the same goes for a lot of the other names.

Edited to say: This goes for the sexual names, not the reference to porn stars. Porn is grubby and exploitative at best and involves literal trafficking at worst. It’s frankly not sexy at all and it shouldn’t be normalised in my view.

Do slow screw and slow screw against the wall still appear on cocktail menus?

I don't like that pornography is normalised, and I have never been comfortable with the phrase 'porn star' because it makes something I reckon is pretty awful, sound glamorous. I wish porn would go back to being dirty mac territory, sort of underground and sordid, and men who want it have to go to some effort to get it.

Anyway, luckily I suppose, I'm an espresso martini person so I've never had to order a porn star martini.

Another thing to add to the list 'i have issues it needs to be changed' no i don't like the name but this neex to control because someome can't handle it is increasing

What happened to living in a free world?

Oh come on…..really? Surely you can’t be so embarrassed to say the word porn that it stops you ordering a drink you like? Alcoholic drinks are for adults 😂

Remember staying at a chain hotel once - after eating in the dining room, partner requested a B52 although it wasn't on the cocktail menu - the response was a starchy "we don't serve that sort of thing here sir, we are a family hotel"
used to laugh about it years later.

And this adult chooses not to raise sexual matters in front of small children. I will use the word porn in adult company. I won’t use it in front of minors. I think that’s a perfectly reasonable choice to make. It has nothing to do with ‘embarrassment’.

Also, normalising porn by suggesting being a porn star is somehow glamorous or aspirational (which in my view is behind the naming of the drink) is not something I want to condone which is why I distinguish this drink from the others with sexual names which I personally won’t order in protest at the sexual names but which I wouldn’t see it as my business if someone else ordered.

Edited to say: Although if someone does order them in a family friendly chain restaurant, I’d appreciate them keeping their voice down if there are children at the surrounding tables.