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Calling my unborn baby they/them

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Irish24 · 28/03/2025 03:19

I am keeping the gender a surprise and the amount of people that are confused when I refer to the baby as they/them’ is starting to aggravate me. I don’t like referring to them as ‘it’ or just ‘baby’. They/them is a word and has been going around for centuries. It also is a singular pronoun and does not always mean multiple. My friends say they can’t get their head around it. I don’t understand. I know they/them is a controversial topic these days and more people are perhaps finding out the gender. I still don’t find it confusing at all and it never even occurred to me that it would be. Anyone else experienced this or am I being over dramatic here? It’s just tiresome having to constantly explain to people, I don’t know the gender so that’s why I’m calling the baby ‘them/they’

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Elspet · 28/03/2025 09:06

BallerinaRadio · 28/03/2025 08:55

You cannot be real. No real person thinks like this. I refuse to believe this is real.

Of course I’m real. Which bit don’t you believe?

Guaranteed parents find their kids more interesting than other people’s kids. You’ll see it on every thread on here. New parents are especially obsessed with their own kids, they need to be. But don’t expect the rest of the world to be so entranced by you and your offspring. Bar family perhaps.

Unless you are some sort of queen bee who expects the rest of the world to revolve around you and your kids?

Secondly yes, the big secrecy colleague was vaguely annoying and weird. I didn’t care. She cared about it loads more than anyone else! People asked simply coz she knew, and they wanted to get her something.

I haven’t seen her since she had her kid (a girl). She was a work colleague, so not on my radar and she’s not a mate. I do remember finding her odd though!

justteanbiscuits · 28/03/2025 09:07

Irish24 · 28/03/2025 04:32

I just don’t get why it’s confusing!

It's not confusing at all. They / them has been used in the singular for hundreds of years, if not more. Some people just like to make an issue of it and pretend not to understand.

fortheloveofcollies · 28/03/2025 09:07

You are completely correct to use ‘they/them’ in this situation. It is the correct English when you do not know the sex

For example:

The teacher was very good at their job and the children loved them.

The sex of the teacher has not been specified so you use ‘they/them’ what else would you use?!

MissDoubleU · 28/03/2025 09:07

Here’s some help guys, it’s really not that fucking hard through

"Someone left their umbrella in the office. Could you please let them know where they can get it?"

"Every student should bring their own materials to class."

"If someone needs help, they should ask for assistance."

"When a new student joins the class, it's important that they feel welcome and included."

Oh no wait, we should say “If someone needs help THE BABY should ask” because they is a woke word for alphabet people or something, right?

It’s not like the Oxford dictionary traces THEY as a singular use pronoun back to 1375, is it?

Oh wait - yes it is 😃

singlewhitetrashheap · 28/03/2025 09:07

RafaistheKingofClay · 28/03/2025 08:59

So many people, so easily triggered.

It's great LOL

JassyRadlett · 28/03/2025 09:08

Elspet · 28/03/2025 08:53

One is IT. Twins are THEM.

i had a colleague who made a big mystery out of her child. Honestly, as the parent, you care much more about your child than anyone else. As parents, we all find our own children to be the most delightful, interesting, special ( or one would hope we did, that’s how kids feel seen and supported).

But do not expect anyone else to be so interested, apart from members of your own family. Other parents will guaranteed not find your child as delightful, interesting or special as their own child. If that’s not clear already then it’s quite a good lesson to learn while you are pregnant.

re my colleague, I found her tiresome and annoying with the big mystery. Next time, you don’t want people to know, be kind, and pretend you just dont know yourself. Otherwise, it feels like you are teasing others. Being petty even.

They can be a SINGULAR PERSONAL PRONOUN. "It" is more commonly used as a NON-PERSONAL PRONOUN. HTH.

🎉 Joyfully opens can of worms on the personhood of the unborn 🎉

RafaistheKingofClay · 28/03/2025 09:08

BallerinaRadio · 28/03/2025 09:02

Do the people on this thread aghast at they/them being used pull people up in real life you reckon?

When they hear someone say 'It was nice to see Auntie Batshit, I haven't seen them in ages' they pop up with

Actually you haven't seen her for ages.

No fucking way they do you wouldn't have time for anything else in the day! 🤣

I always wonder this about the people that jump into a thread to correct gender to sex.

CaptainMyCaptain · 28/03/2025 09:08

saraclara · 28/03/2025 08:07

What both those posts say.

There are other options open to you. The terms that we all used back then, and that your own mother will have used (unless your mum was in the first tranche of mums who got to know what they were having in advance).

But you're consciously choosing to use words that can cause confusion because of the possible plurality, and because some stupid people link them to trans issues. I don't know why you're wedded to doing that, and then complaining that people are confused.

Are you using they and them correctly? Well yes. Are they the best/only terms you can use? No. So why set yourself up for frustration?

Edited

I was one of the first tranche of pregnant women to have a scan at all and it did not reveal the sex as it was only at 13 weeks.

Travelodge · 28/03/2025 09:09

Nannyfannybanny · 28/03/2025 08:12

We didn't use Norse and old English in this country anymore. I speak as a proud pedantic,who cannot abide the use of "hoovering" meaning to vacuum.

I like pedantry. But do you also never refer to biros or sellotape or bubble-wrap or googling or Vaseline unless you’re using the original brands?

YourBestFriend · 28/03/2025 09:09

They has been traditionally used in singular in situations where no misunderstandings would arise. In your situation people could think you are having twins or triplets. You are being utterly precious.

RafaistheKingofClay · 28/03/2025 09:09

singlewhitetrashheap · 28/03/2025 09:07

It's great LOL

I only opened the thread for the replies. It didn’t disappoint.

Hwi · 28/03/2025 09:09

Surprise for whom? Why do you think anybody gives a shit? I wouldn't give a shit what mine are, as long as they are happy and healthy, so why do you think anybody cares for you to keep this mystification? Are you a royal in a country where sex is important in terms of succession?

TheGentleOpalMember · 28/03/2025 09:10

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 28/03/2025 08:50

Hopefully this thread has reassured you that the only people "confused" by your perfectly normal phrasing are either thick as shit or triggered transophobes (or both)!

'twwannnsphobes'. (facepalm) You say more about yourself than anyone else when resorting to that misogynist bullshit.

sweetpickle2 · 28/03/2025 09:10

People are either very stupid or they are so frothing at the idea of adult humans using they/them pronouns that they feel they have to double down and come after the OP for using perfectly normal and correct grammar to refer to her unborn baby.

YANBU OP.

Elspet · 28/03/2025 09:10

Hwi · 28/03/2025 09:09

Surprise for whom? Why do you think anybody gives a shit? I wouldn't give a shit what mine are, as long as they are happy and healthy, so why do you think anybody cares for you to keep this mystification? Are you a royal in a country where sex is important in terms of succession?

What THEY said 😆. Seriously tho. Spot on.

MILsAreHumanToo · 28/03/2025 09:11

Not to be pedantic but you are not waiting to find out the gender, you are waiting to find out the baby's sex.

MumCanIHaveASnackPlease · 28/03/2025 09:11

RafaistheKingofClay · 28/03/2025 09:08

I always wonder this about the people that jump into a thread to correct gender to sex.

This. I’m fascinated. When someone tells them they’re having a gender reveal do they respond “I think you’ll find it’s a sex reveal!”

When someone tells them they’re having a boy do they respond “actually you’re having a male”

I am so curious as to how they actually operate in society, not on the internet.

thepariscrimefiles · 28/03/2025 09:11

CocoPlum · 28/03/2025 08:08

Your OP was a little ambiguous. "I am keeping the gender [sex] a surprise" suggests that you know and you are keeping the secret.

Which is kind of ironic on a post all about correct grammar.

Her OP also included:

'It’s just tiresome having to constantly explain to people, I don’t know the gender so that’s why I’m calling the baby ‘them/they’'

That is not ambiguous so OP was clear that she hadn't found out the sex of her baby herself.

CraneBeak · 28/03/2025 09:11

Weird! I used they /them before I found out baby's sex. My aggravating sibling kept insisting on calling baby "it" on the basis that "it's a fetus", but most people understood why I was using they / them.

JassyRadlett · 28/03/2025 09:12

Grammarnut · 28/03/2025 09:03

I suspect it's common to refer to the mother as 'mother or mum' as it makes it clear who is being referred to rather than using a forename. One of the team may also have this name, or be confused as to who is being talked about. A bit irritating, but better than being referred to as 'the birthing parent' - yuck.

And yet they seem to manage this in pretty much all other medical fields.

"The mother" is far better than "and then mum will need to..." The "mum" thing is bizarre.

BillStickersWillBeProsocuted · 28/03/2025 09:12

Shakespear used "They" as a singular pronoun in Hamlet - why are people trying to pretend this is a new thing?!

Bizzare!

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 28/03/2025 09:12

Hwi · 28/03/2025 09:09

Surprise for whom? Why do you think anybody gives a shit? I wouldn't give a shit what mine are, as long as they are happy and healthy, so why do you think anybody cares for you to keep this mystification? Are you a royal in a country where sex is important in terms of succession?

A surprise for themselves? They don't know the sex.

curtaintwitcher78 · 28/03/2025 09:12

"Move your bag, If someone walks in here they will trip over it."
NOT plural, just a person whose gender you don't know.
Stop confusing yourselves. OP is using something totally grammatically correct.

You can't keep saying baby or the baby or he or she if you're opposed to using 'it'. Imagine a full sentence:
"When baby is here I will take baby to see baby's great granny and great granny will be thrilled to meet baby."
or
"When baby is here I will take him or her to see his or her great granny and great granny will be thrilled to meet him or her."
Or the simpler: "When the baby is here I will take them to see their great granny and great granny will be thrilled to meet them."

u3ername · 28/03/2025 09:13

StealMySunshine12 · 28/03/2025 09:00

My eyes twitched every time healthcare staff referred to me as 'mum' when we had our baby. And they weren't talking to the baby (as in 'let's give you back to mummy'). For example they'd be discussing my care in front of me and one would say 'blah blah due to mum's comorbidities blah blah' and I'm just sat there thinking wow, I've already been reduced to just 'mum', they couldn't be bothered to ask my name. It's so naff.

Surely, you’re not reduced to just ‘a mum’. It’s a promotion and a title, similar to being called the queen!

medlobath · 28/03/2025 09:13

TeaAndMuffins · 28/03/2025 03:55

I'm with you. I didn't know what I was having and used they/them and a few people were confused. That is a valid of use of those pronouns - it doesn't make sense to use them when you actually do know someone's sex but completely valid if you don't .

I very much doubt this third sentence.

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