To think that the “quiet quitting” trend is just an excuse for people who are too lazy to do their jobs?

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If you’re “quitting” without quitting, maybe you should just leave instead of draining the life out of the workplace.

If only it was the norm. People should be paid to do their job and not have to go above and beyond.

I'd be a bloody quiet quitter, if I could. I've taken on a whole extra job in the last year and I've just argued for a pay rise and been offered one extra month's salary annually for my efforts. I want to say go fuck yourselves, which I may end up yet doing!!!!

Everyone I speak to at the moment is being pressured to do "more with less" and it is exhausting. I work harder now than I've ever done and it is about as much fun as having my eyeballs poked with sticks every day. I'm all for quiet quitting - if only I could.

I think it's fine to not go above and beyond and I admit to rather admiring younger workers for not taking the shit that previous generations (including mine) did and working themselves into the ground for a pittance.

If your job pays you a certain amount for a certain amount of hours, it is okay, IMO, to work those hours and no more unless the employee agrees to overtime and it is paid. If the job cannot be done by someone working hard during their contracted hours the company needs to hire more employees, not rely on those they have to do unpaid work.

No one on their deathbed ever wished they'd spent more time at work!

I supported the strikes. We attended the teacher strikes with our child. Everyone and that means everyone deserves to be paid properly. Any ‘quiet quitting’ is simply asserting rights because employers treat people badly.

Wow your customers and colleagues must love you 🤨

It depends what we mean by quiet quitting.

Would I accept people not doing the job they’re paid to do to an acceptable standard? No.

Would I accept people not pushing for promotion, working overtime, doing extra hours for free? Sure. Even if they’re providing public services.

I quiet quit as a bit of a protest vote for being treated like shit - I was desperately looking elsewhere but it took a bit of time to find something. I still did all the work I had to - they just lost any goodwill.

Funnily enough now I'm working for an employer who actually values and respects me, I'm pulling out all the stops to do a good job and the 'laziness' has disappeared! Strange that...

I think this is for people who can't get a job anywhere else, or they would quit. YANBU

Overworking by clinical staff is a huge part of what is wrong with the NHS

I think it’s the only way to survive in some
professions where hard work is punished with more work.

Emergency services spend so long going above and beyond so the wheel doesn’t fall off that they appear to be managing with less money which is the opposite of the truth- so this is the way to illustrate the need for more funding

it is just very hard when there are real lives at play

Quiet quitting as I understand it, is doing exactly what's expected of you in your job description, no more or less.

It's pushing back against the ridiculous expectation, especially in corporate or city jobs, that in order to progress young people need to work 12 hours a day to the detriment of their families and personal lives. It's not fucking lazy. It's young people recognising that they work to live, not the other way round, and their families are more important than work. Older generations don't like that young people have discovered this so they call them lazy.

This is the problem. the point is that "quiet quitting" refers to people who are doign their job and doing it perfectly well. They're called "quitters" because they're not making the effort to go above and beyond and they're not doing loads of free work. So you should absolutely be able to get good customer service from someone whose job it is to do customer service. The issue in a situatino like this, for example, is that companies don't have processes in place to help people do their jobs so the only way they can deliver EXCELLENT customer service, is if they step up and do MORe. And that is not actually helpful for anyone.

I love my job. I do a very good job and work hard and am very successful. But I DO resent it when people want me to do MORE and, basically, to do it for free.

Nope

I work for myself so no skin in the game, but you can be damn right I'd be doing exactly what I got paid for and not a single thing more. When I was younger I gave my heart and soul to employers who gave zero fucks about me and showed no appreciation for the free work and headache I gave them, so I'll never ever do that again.

If I worked for someone now, I'd turn up two mins before I had ro start, leave at exactly my finishing time and do what I have to do to keep my job and get paid, and no more.

OP, YABVU.

@Thisisittheapocalypse is absolutely correct that no one should be working full time yet still be unable to make basic ends meet.

I don’t think many people would have wished they worked more and harder on their death bed. I bet most people would have wished they had slowed down a lived life a bit more

Also agree with @MattCauthon that it's a misnomer:

This is the problem. the point is that "quiet quitting" refers to people who are doign their job and doing it perfectly well.

I always get this feeling that people who blame others for being lazy and not hardworking are secretly jealous and don’t know how to enjoy life

I think it's more just working the hours you're paid to work. Not taking unpaid work home or doing extra.

So many jobs rely on unpaid labour (nurses, teachers etc).

That's not quiet quitting.

But to be honest, why should they go above and beyond if they're not paid to? The fact their employers can't sort their shit out isn't their fault. They get paid to answer thr phone and follow protocol. You can be damn sure if I worked in customer service, I'd be doing exactly what I should be doing and no more. Problem with that? Take it to the boss. Their problem is not my problem.

QQis worth of embracing at points in your life, but the real concern I felt when the stories were coming out was how many very young people were doing it.

When you're at the very start of your life/career, there are very few jobs that have absolutely zero runway to somewhere/thing else. Even if you're waitressing in a cafe, by doing a bit extra like cashing up, helping with restocking etc etc you demonstrate an attitude/ develop skills that could either lead to you being offered more, or when you go to interviews for your better job prospect, you can talk with conviction about what else you did.

I now run my own business, earn very good money, and don't work 75% of the time. But I got here through working some very long hours ('overtime' in the form of a bonus ultimately worth 75p an hour I worked out one year) that gave me valuable experience and ultimately enabled me to do what I'm doing now.

Quiet quitting needs to be done with forethought to the future consequences. It's a risky proposition in a corporate context where the tech now exists to literally track your keyboard and activity. In the US, people have been fired for not doing enough US. We're not far behind

But if you are in a minimum wage job, with absolutely no prospect of something else, or need a very contained job that doesn't draw too much from you mentally etc, then guard your hours with your life. Know when you're being a slave

I think that the OP has quietly quit this thread...

I don’t give my employer anything more than I’m willing to give away. If doing the minimum gets the same outcome in terms of salary and benefits then why would you take energy away from other parts of your life to put in extra to your work so your employer can benefit?

I also think it's relevant that many young people's first jobs are in retail or hospitality.

I started out in hospitality at the age of 16 and truly did go above and beyond. In return, I was treated like a piece of shit on the ground by managers, supervisors, colleagues and customers. Nothing i ever did was enough, i was seen as lazy for asking for my break (y'know, the one i was contractually entitled to) and was regularly made to feel guilty for leaving on time because someone else hadn't turned up. I was quilted for taking time off for my Dad's funeral because it was over a weekend there were weddings on and the bar would be busy. I was told 'you've chosen this job and this is all part of it, you need to put your job first'. This was justified by being told I was wanted at work because I was 'one of the good ones', so essentially they justified treating me like a slave cos I was good at the job. I was expected to be grateful for the 'compliment'.

Many jobs in hospitality have a culture of bullying. Managers used to openly admit that they wouldn't be allowed to speak to their staff like shit in any other workplace but it's simply part and parcel of the environment. If this is your first foray into the world of work it's no bloody surprise young people end up disillusioned and not wanting to go the extra mile before they've even got started working a full time job.

Treat people like shit, get shit back. Simples.

Employers need to recognise that staff aren't slaves and work is one aspect of our lives. Not the single or most important aspect.

Quiet quitting as a term massively misrepresents the issue at hand here. It's not about quitting. It's about pushing back against dangerous expectations that cause people to prioritise work over their own lives.

No one ever sat on their deathbed and wished they'd spent more time at work!

Going above and beyond is OK as long as it benefits you in some way. Even just the experience, to be able to list it as something you've done on your CV. But if it is of no benefit, not even appreciation or recognition, from your employer, why bother?

I thought it was a term orginiating in USA - the sort of equivalent in China being lying flat - or here work to rule - though they are slightly different.

Quiet quitting did not mean half-assing the job but just working the hours paid for and not doing hours of unpaid overtime.

DH took a "promontion" a while ago come with no more money but a lot more responsibility and hours - and some weekends. Kids are older teens and in exam years so we can accomodate with some re-arranging - it's more to help get the next job few years down the line - somewhere else. He enjoys the job but he and we had to think wether it was actually worth it and still not sure.

I think many USA employers had come to see the unpaid overtime as their "right" so have been pissy about it - but with long commutes that are normal in USA and often need for second side hussle to pay all their bills and/or second job- kind of see why so may are think why the fuck not.