To think that the “quiet quitting” trend is just an excuse for people who are too lazy to do their jobs?

[DandyLeader]

If you’re “quitting” without quitting, maybe you should just leave instead of draining the life out of the workplace.

Why? Because he put work 1st every SINGLE time and took the big pay check.

You don’t pass any GCSEs can’t be bothered, don’t go onto training too much like hard work, people telling you what to do? what do they know! I’ll just moan about minimum wage and a crappy job - UC sounds like a plan. Give me strength what happened to that thing called work ethic?

I think most people are motivated by results rather than because of a work ethic.

Who said anyone didn’t have GCSEs and are on UC? I had excellent academic grades, a degree and a 10 year career so far in which I have earned more promotions and a higher salary than most people my age. I do exactly what’s required of me to a high standard and not a minute more. What’s your issue?

I have stopped trying and caring as hard since new management came in and messed with everything making it worse. I started off trying to fight bad decisions for the good of the company but slowly had the passion knocked out of me. Now I have quietly quit which isn’t my nature and am looking for a new role. I feel like I am being lazy but I am demoralised and disempowered and frankly, disappointed.

Most people aren't rewarded for their efforts and are just taken advantage of by employers, who replace them easily, no loyalty.

What an outdated world view.

We don't need people to slave away in order to keep the world fed, clothed and happy. Technology has made supporting a basic standard living far, far easier.

There is no need for anyone to live in poverty these days. The issue is distribution.

Yes and I'm still confused what your issue with him is. It sounds like he made choices that backfired. It makes me pity him to be honest and I don't even know him. You're practically salivating over his misery which is why I wondered if he had personally wronged you.

Sadly I agree with this. I think many people who do a great job do it because they're proud of their work. I don't think most do it for a company, but for their own personal satisfaction speaking for myself and many of the people I've worked with. It takes a certain kind of person to half-ass something and do a mediocre job.

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Thing is though when you're in a traditionally low waged job (and let's remember those jobs are wanted and needed and there aren't enough high flying jobs for everyone) you're constantly told it's not good enough, how much other people are paying for you, how you don't contribute enough, how you're uninspired and lazy......... Yet society holds up these employers and CEOs as examples of hard work and sacrifice and likes to pretend they're not actually also relying on the hard work and sacrifice of other people to get there, who they're constantly blaming for system failures or poorly designed and implemented systems, who they squeeze every last ounce from, who they shed in a heartbeat.
When society constantly treats people like they're not important then it can hardly be surprise when they believe it and wonder why they're giving so much when apparently, it's achieving nothing.

If we want people to be proud to work and have self belief, we have to actually value the roles they're doing. And when people don't want to do those jobs - stop deciding everyone is just lazy.

This is entirely a situation of 'our' own making and attitudes.

Until that changes, nothing else will.

And the majority thinks you are BU. And there,in a nutagell, is why the UK is a basketcase economically

But employers are paying for a service; your labour. If you do not deliver what’s required they should be able to part ways. Sadly it’s becoming increasingly difficult for that to happen.

🇬🇧 UK productivity is consequently falling. Employers can’t just ‘pay more’. I run a small business and am a living wage employer. Margins are really tight.

But the employees who are quiet quitting are delivering. That is the point. I work really hard for the hours that I am paid. I do everything that is required in my role and if I have time spare I will help others or do something useful to the working environment. However I will not work outside of my hours at all. I don’t want to.

That’s not what is causing productivity to fail. The tight margins of a business who is only just staying afloat is not the fault of your employees for wanting a living wage. Do you take the same wage as them?

If an employer requires a certain level of labour, they should make sure that they capture it in their employees' contracts. You can't misrepresent your expectations then whine because people won't go above and beyond what they were contracted for.

I have never “quietly quit” in my life. I have always gone above and beyond, that is just my nature, but if it wasn’t appreciated I left and went somewhere it was. I was earning 6 figures by the time I was early 30s and I definitely think there is a correlation.
Have my own business now and absolutely wouldn’t expect my staff to work like I used to, but definitely notice those who’ve got their coat on a 4.55pm and refuse to do a minute more. I don’t get it because they also seem to be the people who struggle most for money and we pay overtime at double time plus time off in lieu.

Maybe people have commitments out side work even if they do need extra money. A few years ago when my kids were young I had to get out of work sharpish when time was up as I had to collect them from the childminder. Yes, money was tight, but my childminder charged a full extra hour if I was later than 10 mins to pick up after work. So those few minutes, as you may have noticed, would actually cost me money which would all add up to quite a bit more at the end of the month. Used to also piss me off when I’d get those stupid snide comments like “ oh, the part timers are ready to run” even though I’d fully finished my days hours. My resting bitch face would have “oh just fuck the hell off” written all over it.

I was offered to do tasks for 2 roles (my current role plus for a role a level above). No extra pay or any other recognition. ‘It will be good for you when an opportunity for the higher level vacancy comes up’. Aah no thanks, you want uk do take on the tasks for the next level role (which I had been doing for months anyway but you want me to do if formally because you got rid of the person), you give me the promotion and pay me accordingly! Some companies just want free labour under the guise of ‘giving you experience’

This. There's a whole raft of reasons as to why people need to leave on time.

I've learnt the hard way that I need to be strict about this. I can only do so much in a week. Any more, and I burn out.

No, it’s not the people with young children or other caring commitments, obviously they have to leave, why would you stay if it costs you money? Although we are very flexible around parents evenings, sports days, emergency appointments etc etc, everything that comes with having a family and it would be nice on occasion if that flexibility could work two ways!
But there are people who don’t have to leave dead on time, but insist on it because they just don’t want to do a minute more. So if the shit hits the fan, which is rare, maybe once it twice a year and them staying maybe an hour more would make the difference, they still refuse on principle. Even if they said, I know we are under pressure but I have to leave to do xyz that would be fine, but they don’t. As an employer these are not the people you are going to promote or pay the most.

I think the difference here is that you do actually recognise and reward those who can be a bit flexible when you really need it.

That's sadly rare these days. It's increasingly common that those sacrifices aren't noted, or the unpaid overtime is just expected.

Exactly! Going the extra mile is rarely recognised let alone rewarded.

I have always noticed those who don’t stay a minute more even in mini crises. The ones who don’t have childcare deadlines or other time limitations but who don’t think they should be treated any differently from those colleagues who do. Everything measured precisely.

And yet, those who spill their guts are often regarded as mugs, by colleagues and management.

In fact, I’ve seen in various places I’ve worked where the ones who don’t give a minute more, are often struck ill on Mondays etc are the ones who are pandered to.

Do you have a history of unhappy employment or are you theorising? No halfway decent employer behaves as you suggest.

It's big corporate tactics 101. The responsibility isn't to the employees - it's to the shareholders. They make the decision that makes the most profit. If AI is cheaper than employees, the employees go.

Its a big IF. And very much industry dependent. Nothing like as simple as you seem to think