Why is no one talking about Leaving Neverland 2 Or contradictions of the accusers?

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I noticed no one seems to care about Leaving Neverland 2 or be talking about it. Why aren't more people discussing the factual problems with "Leaving Neverland"?

I've noticed that many discussions about Michael Jackson focus on the allegations without examining the serious inconsistencies in the accusers' stories such as:

1. James Safechuck claimed abuse at Neverland's train station between 1988-1992, but construction records prove it wasn't built until 1994-1995 - this is a major lie!

1. Wade Robson claimed his first abuse happened in January 1990 when his family went to the Grand Canyon without him, but his mother Joy testified under oath that Wade went WITH the family on that trip

1. Robson testified IN DETAIL as an adult under oath in 2005 that nothing inappropriate ever happened

1. Wade Robson asked Michael Jackson for permission to get married at Neverland Ranch in 2005 - why would he want to celebrate his wedding at the place he later claimed he was abused?

1. Stephanie Safechuck (James Safechuck's mother) stated in the documentary that when she heard about Michael Jackson's death in 2009, she "danced" and was "so happy he died" because she thought "Oh thank God, he can't hurt any more children." However, according to her son James, he never told anyone about his alleged abuse until after seeing Wade Robson's interview in 2013, and only then told his family about it.

This creates a major contradiction: Stephanie Safechuck couldn't have known about the alleged abuse in 2009 when Michael Jackson died if James didn't tell her until 2013 - four years later.

This is another significant timeline inconsistency that calls into question the narrative presented in the documentary. It's difficult to reconcile how Stephanie could have had this specific reaction to Jackson's death if she was unaware of any alleged abuse at that time. This type of contradiction represents more than just hazy memory - it's a fundamental issue with the timeline of disclosure that the documentary doesn't address or explain.

These aren't minor discrepancies but fundamental contradictions in their stories.
I'm not saying we shouldn't take abuse allegations seriously, but shouldn't we also consider verifiable facts that directly contradict these specific accusations?

People seem to take the documentary at face value, without question - it’s strange to not want to consider all the facts especially when some of them are major.

Honestly, I wouldn’t bet my life of MJ innocence but I also thinks it’s entirely plausible he’s innocent when I heard the above.

Why is there so little interest in most people to examine the full picture/the pure financial greed of these two accusers constantly attempting to get millions after their case is thrown out so many times in Leaving Neverland 2?

Well the type of sex offender who sleeps in beds with strange little boys, has naked pictures of little boys in his home, had blood stained children’s underwear, dozens of accusers, and publicly grooms little boys is most definitely a “type” we should look out for.

I also think we should be wary of pedophile lovers and apologists. I wouldn’t let my kids with 10 feet of someone who thinks the world’s most obvious pedophile is innocent. These people can’t be trusted with children

OP is defending a pedophile. You seem to be as well.

No I don't concede that because he knew darn well what he was doing. He was a very shrewd businessman he used his real deeper voice in real life, he had bells and alarms in his room, he did drills with the boys about what to do if someone is approaching. These are things someone who knows they're doing wrong does. I don't buy the 'he didn't have a childhood/didn't know right from wrong' bs. He knew what he was doing. He knew it was wrong. That is why he told James Safechuck that he would go to jail if their friendship was found out. That is why he told them that he would have to date women and get married.

He did not have diminished capacity. He knew normal, he knew morals, he knew damn well what he was doing. It amazes me that people buy into this idea that he was innocent of the world and 'didn't know better'. Pull the other one! Do people really, truly still buy that? He was a cunning manipulator who knew exactly what he was doing.

Edited to say many, many, many people have had as bad or worse upbringing than Jackson had and didn't grow up to abuse children. Yeah, he was belted by his father. Quite a normal thing back then. Yet everyone else managed to know right from wrong and not molest children. This carefully crafted I didn't have a childhood, I was spanked etc is a bullshit excuse for what he did. If it was anyone else, you wouldn't buy it.

Sorry but that's a load of BS. He was a very shrewd business man and was in no way that stupid. Even if he was so mentally incompetent that he didn't know sharing a bed with kids was wrong, surely having to pay out millions should have been enough of an incentive for him to stop? He didn't though, he continued these intense 'friendships' with pre pubescent boys and bed sharing because he was a compulsive child abuser who didn't see anything wrong with what he was doing. You can be damn sure people told him to stop but he didn't want to. He was a manipulative pedophile and not some innocent man child

You’re beyond deluded. Why do you want him to be innocent so much? You can still
listen to his music, no one will mind.

Bless you for falling for the defence team concocted “Oh it’s not pornography it’s art”. Are you normally this gullible?

But hang on - he’s innocent right..so how is it neglecting? If nothing happened in those beds, how are the parents in the wrong?

Those two men have had endless death threats and abuse from psycho fans. Hardly a desirable way to live for other victims

Those books were produced and photographed by literal pedophiles. One of the investigators on the case who specializes in child abuse cases said those particular books are often found in the possession of pedophiles because they aren't technically illegal. Same with nudist magazines, including images of children, which he also had in his house. Its not art.

Yes, the Boylove book was literally compiled by NAMBLA.

Pathetic. I’d like to know why it means so much to Jackson fans to see him as innocent?

There's probably a few reasons people think he's innocent-

1. He was found not guilty in a court of law
2. Macaulay Culkin, Brett Barnes and Corey Feldman all strongly deny being abused by him-not proof that no abuse happened to the other boys but it points towards Michael being able to have innocent friendships with boys (assuming they're not still in denial which is a possibility of course)
3. Child abuse is obviously horrific and people would rather believe it didn't happen if there is a shred of doubt.

I imagine there are oodles of parents out there who safeguarded their children properly breathing a sigh of road now that they said no to a Neverland sleepover

So for me I think that there is every chance MJ is guilty. He has definitely been a strange character and had a lot of unresolved issues. He definitely had a penchant for boys of a certain age. I know it’s been said in his defence that he seemed friendship in those of a similar mental age but it could also be very likely be the more sinister reason .

The only thing I’d say is that if this went to court, with the evidence we have heard about in these documentaries, I don’t think a jury would find MJ guilty. There are some inconsistencies in the accounts, which of course can be explained as mentioned already in this thread, but it would be enough Imo to not get an unanimous guilty verdict (of whatever the ratio needed).

it’s possible MJ did abuse them
it’s possible they lied motivation being billions of dollars

it really is their word against his and actually it’s not against his word as he is dead so has no word on it

if this is true though, I’d imagine that there would be so many many more victims. I wonder if any one else will join the two men and tell their story

No he didn’t say that. He realised that the abuse was not a loving relationship he thought it was and that he was fucked yo because of it.

Well I take issue with "You can be damn sure people told him to stop" Of course they didnt!!

He was their cash machine! No one getting paid $$$$ was going to stand up to him because that would mean that their pay days would stop. Or are you saying that no one in his staff helped to facilitate this? That no one knew but turned a blind eye out of self interest?

I do genuinely believe that he wanted the childhood and childhood friends that he never had. I read a very interesting article about (think it was published in the Guardian but was donkeys years ago, about the time of the first trial) written by a psychologist who said that MJ was never ever going to be normal because no one had taught him what normal was. So that there was a higher chance that he would do something abnormal as a result. Abuse victims are far more likely to abuse others, we know this.

Or was it his lawyers talking about silencing Jackson’s accuser after drawing an accurate picture of his penis?

How the fuck would a little bit even know if a man’s erect penis is circumcised or not? Honestly people are desperate aren’t they!

Nah if you defend a pedophile in any way - especially one so very obvious - you aren’t fit to be around children.

Wade Robson was 7 when he was molested by Jackson.

Artested development my arse. He was a talented and shrewd businessman. Men who are stuck at being aged 12 don’t create mega hits and global empires. The childhood innocent act was carefully curated to create an persona and boy did people fall for it!

I don't believe he was an overgrown child or didn't know better either but how hypocritical to be so concerned about child welfare and then completely downplay the abuse he suffered at the hands of his father. He used to faint and throw up in his presence he was so scared and his siblings and mother have all said Joe beat them. And you think this is a-ok? What Joe did was in no way "normal" or just spanking, but I guess you'll excuse some child abuse if it happened to someone you hate as an adult!

It's no excuse what he went through AT ALL, but that doesn't mean you have to downplay Joe beating him, throwing him up against walls etc. Lets not forget his father also saw no jail time for his crimes. Apparently that doesn't bother you though.

1. So are plenty of guilty people. This means nothing
2. Sp what - rapists don’t rape every woman they meet. And actually Feldman believes he abused children.
3. I don’t see a shred of doubt. I see tonnes of evidence to show he is a pedophile.

I doubt anyone will join in given the shame around abuse and also the horrific way these men have been treated since their disclosures. CSA victims don’t owe anybody their stories

He used to faint and throw up in his presence he was so scared....throwing him up against walls etc

Yet you believe this without needing evidence. That, is what is hypocritical!

I mean is there any evidence for this? Lots of doubt cast on his story. Given Jackson lied about other things why should we believe him?

Yes funny how, despite Jackson being a pretty consistent liar, no one ever demands evidence for his abuse. Funny that

BTW I count 10 accusers of Jackson. But they must all be lying 🙄🙄