To think that men who evade paying for their children are a burden on society?

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Not my situation as not divorced but I'm fed up of hearing about thousands of men who don't pay child support or only pay the minimum, or fiddle their employment status/ declared income to pay less

They should pay at least half the actual costs of raising their children, more if they earn significantly more than the other parent

If they can't pay they should be supported to get a better job

If theyre self employed and can't pay enough well get a job that allows you to pay.

If they're getting paid in cash, take on more work to pay or find a job where they can't hide their income so they have to pay.

They are the real burden on society , fed up of seeing disabled people and carers torn apart while these feckless men get away with it year after year.

Where is the government and media campaign against them?

Women (who also should be on an additional form of birth control) can always say “no condom, no sex.” But they don’t. That’s entirely on them.

@TheHerboriste there is another thread I’ve read today also on the subject of one night stands. Is all of this coming from a troll factory somewhere?

Totally agree.

It’s not that difficult to avoid pregnancy if one is determined to do so. We don’t have to breed with every man who gives us five minutes attention. That’s what animals do.

Exactly

Men don’t have to shag every woman they get a chance with. They are not animals either.

I'm pretty sure that, at least some, probably most women, do insist on condoms.

The fact is that men's choice stops at ejaculation, women are able to choose abortion.

Men and women know this, they know what choices each party has, so if a man goes ahead and has sex then he knows the potential consequences.

As does the woman, either an abortion or a baby.

I don’t consider it something “enforced” upon me. I appreciate, am grateful for and enjoy having 100 percent total control over my reproductive capacity for my entire lifetime.

It shocks me that any woman would want to cede that control to a man.

Men can't get pregnant

I've never seen one of these threads fill up so fast!
This has been an ongoing discussion for decades on here.
Gingerbread is a good source for figures.
Agree DWP should handle it - we should be looking at freelancers and self employed for hidden earnings and refusing passports (which the CMS actually already has the power to do but never uses).

Oh I see the men have joined to pull the discussion into the pits of "this is all the fault single mothers" rather than men who run away from families and hide assets (majority).

If a system designed to make people pay for their children isn't doing that and isnt making it clear it can do that then it's either complete incompetence on the part of everyone employed within an entire organisation or it's orders from above enforced by management to benefit who? Politicians with secret children? Very rich and powerful people with secret children? A system that benefits more from single parents being left holding the baby for some unfathomable (to me) reason than from parents being prevented from avoiding supporting their children? Something else?

It's not properly funded. There aren't enough staff, and many of the ones there are aren't well trained (hence the person training me not knowing two options CMS have). My experience was that the harder cases are often left aside to allow focus on the easy ones. Why bother going after the wealthy self employed guy that will take ages to get through when your stats will look better if you chase a couple of people new to the system who are fully cooperative? That attitude was pretty prevalent.

It does very much feel to me that the fact RP's may have the safety net of benefits means that it's not that important (as in the attitude toward maintenance, not my opinion).

I do think the "well she'll just use it on hair and nails anyway" attitude is everywhere in society.

Especially in part because people have lost sight of what it costs to look after children. I always remember one woman ranting to me that her husband paid "over two HUNDRED pounds" for his four children. That likely didn't even cover their school dinners, but she was blinded by the 'hundreds' part.

There's also an attitude everywhere, including on here, that you should be grateful if you get maintenance. The fact that Mary doesn't get anything doesn't make Pauline greedy if she points out her ex should be paying £450 not £300. Nor should she be grateful to be getting anything.

Whole societal mindset change toward the issue is needed.

I would have thought that you would have seen the first 'what about the womenz?' posts being responded to and not write the same tripe but, there it is.

This is about feckless men who don't pay for their children. They are legion. Feckless women who don't pay can be tackled AFTER the feckless men have been brought to book. Sort of akin to comparing a burst water main to the final water drips. Men being the burst main, just in case that wasn't obvious.

Why do men bounce onto threads like this to present their own - irrelevant - agenda? So tedious.

I agree with you, OP.

I also think the £7 minimum is farcical.

The Australian system sounds great.

I can't find the post, but CMS staff are employed by the DWP

So women have no agency and are helpless victims who are easily duped?

In Scotland 92% of one parent families are headed by a woman and I would gamble that of the 8% headed by a man the woman does pay maintenance or is genuinely unable to (as in my Dad’s case he was a one parent family due to the death of my Mum)

This is absolutely based on sex and sex stereotypes.

I would welcome something done about this matter as it would genuinely bring children out of poverty.

oh god the BuTWomEnDoITtoo is tedious.

What are the numbers? The OP is talking about the men who don't pay for their children. You are free to start a conversation about women who don't pay for theirs.

Men who are not allowed to be in their children's lives (not the violent or abusive ones but the normal men who want to see their children but are not allowed) shouldn't have to pay!

Same as those who are not allowed to be on the birth certificate should not be forced to pay.

If you want money from the absent parent, then you need to acknowledge their 'status' on a birth certificate and you need to let that parent see its child!

And I know I'll be flamed... as I said... not the abusive or violent ones!!

They get others pregnant but only if they make a choice to have sex with them. This is their point of choice. Don’t have sex until you can afford to face the consequences of raising a child. It’s not difficult to understand. You don’t have to stick your appendage into every nearby woman.

Mostly the issue is not about random one-night stands. It’s about people in long term relationships, often married, pushing off and then not paying towards their children. In 98% of cases it’s men doing that.

nope. Children are not pay-per-view.

If you have children, you should pay. Wages should be garnished if necessary.

Seeing the children is another matter - take the other parent to court and get it formalised.

There is nothing to stop a non violent or abusive man seeing his children. All he has to do is go to court for an access order.

I am absolutely stunned by this! I really cannot comprehend why so many are not being arrested for fraud in this case!

I'm more concerned about the children affected, not the sex of the person who isn't paying.

Why does the solution need to be gendered? What would be the point of only targeting men?

The vast majority are men, but that doesn't mean that children of mothers who don't pay shouldn't get the same support and help.

Who do you think these children shouldn't be supported?

Well the men have to show up and put themselves on the birth certificate so they can just refuse to be there, then not pay.

They can, very easily, go to court and get added to the birth certificate and get contact with the child, if they bothered their arses.

It's depressing how many excuses there are for men out there.

Only a twat of a man would think of their child(ren) as 'pay to view'. Those children still need to eat, be clothed, be kept warm, etc., etc.

Only a very stupid sort of a poster would write posts like that.

Edited because no woman would write that.