So what did the Adolescence psychologist’s report state?

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I have been thinking about this for a few days. What do you think?

Yes true. I was responding to the poster who seemed to be asserting that only men / boys with autism murder people which is a pretty crass generalisation.

There was video evidence of him doing it
There was corroborating evidence that he had done it
He admitted it
He pled guilty

did you understand what you were watching?

He said he was going to change his plea at the end to guilty. We all know that pleading guilty to things that people haven’t done can get less harsh sentences so maybe that’s what he’s been advised. He maintained all the long he didn’t do it. There’s no solid evidence of where the knife is nobody knows where it is. The only person that hasn’t been asked where the knife is, or commented on the knife is the father.

I definitely think there’s more to this than meets the eye.

As an aside, is anyone else getting the Jason Stratham advert for "Working Man" next to this thread, where someone comes up behind a woman with a cloth and puts it over her mouth... Algorithms like this MN?

There was video evidence of him stabbing her, what on earth were people watching?

I think one key problem with it is that many people won’t see and understand what @SleepingCatBlankethas described which I think is very accurate about the family. There’s been a lot of talk this week about the crisis that young men are in however I don’t think men will watch and see how the damaging the father’s behaviour is. They won’t see how he cannot control his emotions/anger. Too many men are still in the ‘head of the household’ mentality, put themselves first and see women as support systems. Women have moved on and continue to develop themselves, many men want everything to go back to them being centred.

Theres lots of talk about male role models, where are they? In society men still really run the show so why can’t boys see these men and want to be like the good guy. Why is a mother telling her son to respect people, especially women not as good as a father? Is it because society still think what a man says is more important that what a woman says?

I guess there are thousands of programmes made the usual way and so this approach is different. Some will like it and some will prefer traditional formatting. It's good to change things sometimes.

He cloudy state to the psychiatrist that he didn’t kill her. The father’s alibi is non-existent he said he was at work but that wasn’t corroborated by anybody whatsoever he could’ve been anywhere. Why would his profession let him work that late?

He did it? Of course he did it?

There’s CCTV of Jamie doing it. Stephen Graham has done interviews saying Jamie did it.

This isn’t a “whodunnit” it’s a “whydunnit”.

Did you see the video evidence of him stabbing her?

He was punching her

No, he was stabbing her, Stephen Graham has confirmed he killed her in interviews.

And I’m not sure it was seven times, which is the amount of times that she was stabbed.

He said to the psychiatrist, I had a knife and I could’ve done anything I wanted to her, but I didn’t have many other boys would I didn’t kill her.

Honestly, there is more to this than we think and I’m excited to see the second lots of episodes if there is them

Stephen Graham said it’s about a boy that kills a girl, but he wasn’t giving anything away or something along those lines

Stephen Graham said it’s about a boy that kills a girl, but he wasn’t giving anything away or something along those lines

With a knife in his hands. He then ran off leaving her dying on the floor from stab wounds.

That speculation, I’m afraid he didn’t see any knife in his hands

Well he owned a plumbing business and he was on call for emergencies that night. He literally told the police "I was on call", the police would easily check that out. We didn't see every detail of the investigation because that wasn't what the show was really about.

Here’s the video- https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNddwg7Js/

He says “it’s about a young boy who kills a young girl… we found out straight away… we didn’t want it to be a whodunnit we wanted it to be a why he did it.”

If you think that’s in any way ambiguous or suggests there’s some secret plot twist and second series to come (or that the dad did it??!), then I despair honestly @YourElatedLimeShark

I saw an interesting take on social media about the guard in the detention centre. The one who leered over the psychiatrist while she was looking at the cameras.
That was the alternative Jamie, the grown-up version, who didn't murder Katie. It gave a glimpse of what he might have been instead.
The same with the lad in the DIY shop.

Also- tying yourself up in knots trying to justify why the young man didn’t murder the young woman in the face of confirmation and evidence is pretty ironic given the subject matter of the programme.

He was a tradesman, loads of people work late.

That’s exactly what I would say if I kill somebody for bullying my son and demasculating my son by suggesting he’s incel Hypothetically of course, because I’m not a murderer, LOL

lots of men work late treatment and then I found out they’ve done something such as affairs, et cetera

Anyway, I’m off to work now, carry on getting your little knickers in a twist about this

You understand that Stephen Graham is the actor and the dad is a fake character and that they are not the same person yes?

You sound unhinged.

I really related to this and this is such a good discussion because I did feel disappointed with the last episode but now I think I've changed my mind. You have all brought up such good points.

Parents think they raise their kids the same but they don't. Especially when boy and girl. Gender roles are so influential in the family. This girl has become 'the good girl '. The people pleaser. This is how women become suspectible to male abuse in relationships. Because they've seen it modelled. Male anger is normal. It's women's job to help regulate the angry man. And yet the Dad is loving, though not good at expressing this in a healthy way, and most people would think him a 'good dad'....in many ways he is. He's so normal. So many men around who are this kind of Dad.

Jamie couldn't be himself in his family. He didn't know how to be a man. He didn't have a relatable version, an alternative modelled to him. Dad was cheeky, extrovert, laddish, into football and sport and physically strong. He was the boss in the famil. Jamie couldn't be the sensitive, intelligent and artistic boy and feel this was ok. He didn't have the role model for this type of man. He saw the man as having to have control and be the boss, but didn't know how to do this. Abusive men have low self esteem and inadequacies, and then have to use control to feel 'ok'.