To wonder if all those gleeful about PIP cuts are going to welcome people with serious mental health conditions as colleagues and employees?

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Given the amount of ableisism I see on MN I think the likelihood of people welcoming people with serious mental health conditions into their workplace is pretty low.
And yes, these people will very likely now be forced to try to work even though their condition makes it impossible. We are not just talking about some lazy twenty year old who expects to sit at home gaming due to his “anxiety” as many people seem to believe is the case. It will be people with significant impairments to social functioning.
Even if they get support to apply for jobs, and even if they then get the position (doubtful) how accommodating will colleagues or customers be if the person seems a bit odd, or gets adjustments workmates deem unfair?
This is going to be a total shit show.

Many of us DO work.

I struggle to believe anyone describing disability benefits as a 'bonus' is here in good faith.

Right, that's it. I've had it with you telling me what I think and getting it wrong, making inflammatory and incorrect accusations, and flinging misogynistic insults around just because you cannot handle people disagreeing with you. So ironic that you are accusing others of hysteria and trying to shut down debate when you are the one who doesn't seem capable of coming at this topic calmly or responding constructively to counter-argument.

And don't bother with any comeback to this because I'm done engaging with you.

I'm not surprised you've had enough. This thread and others like it are positively dystopian and very depressing. I'm considering a break from MN until interest in this topic dies down a little because I'm so sick of the bigotry, and I'm sure I won't be the only one. It seems certain posters are determined to double down on their blinkered ATOS-style 'if I can't see it, it doesn't exist, off to work with you' one-size-fits-all opinions regardless how anyone tries to educate them.

I've also yet to see any answers to the question of how we are supposed to deal with employer bias against the disabled other than repeated vague bleatings of 'well, something has to be done'. It's almost as though these people - gasp! - actually don't have all the answers and yet somehow seem to consider themselves capable of telepathic, long-range diagnoses of complete strangers' fitness for work.

Some people on this thread and others should be ashamed of themselves, and it's especially depressing to see people who are dealing with disability themselves piling on. Talk about a race to the bottom.

I think people with serious mental health problems not getting proper care which keeps the community safe is a different issue.

We have 9 million not working and we are a full year’s gdp in debt. I would not mind taxing the super rich, but the super rich tend to leave sharpish taking their tax with them, and it’s a bit rough for JKRowling to have to pay all the tax in the country.

bye then

Yes the idea that we can (and should) be a country with 50% unemployment propped up by a few billionaires is laughable.

Yes of course. And you face additional barriers to be able to do so.

I was responding to a PP who seemed to think "invisible" conditions like mental ill health shouldn't qualify for support.

The levels of entitlement displayed in these threads is very worrying. Some people seem to feel that they're above any sort of questioning from anybody about anything.

How dare they be assessed for eligibility?
How dare anybody question the legitimacy of certain conditions?
How dare anybody disagree with their arguments?
How dare anybody suggest it's unaffordable for the country?

We're heading for national bankruptcy and things are going to have to change. There's simply no other option.

A lot of people are going to have to accept a much lower standard of living or they'll have to get a job. It's as simple as that.

Very strange that people should think 9m is a reasonable number to have out of work.

I shared an article on another thread but I think it bears repeating here - over 40% of employers surveyed by the epilepsy society said they wouldn't employ someone with epilepsy. How are disabled people supposed to get jobs when the government is doing nothing to make (either through incentives or sanctions) employers take on disabled staff?

There are more people with MH conditions than not, it’s just that they don’t know this.

This is why a friend of mine concealed this condition when she went for a job at a supermarket. She prayed that she wouldnt have a fit while at work. She got the job Supermarket begins with the letter M

No response @Wildflowers99 ?
I'm just taking you up on the factual discussion you say you want.

In the other hand this implies that almost 60% of those surveyed would employ people with epilepsy, which is encouraging. And epilepsy isn’t the only disability, other disabilities may be seen as easier to manage in the workplace by companies.

Bloody hell 2 hours and you’re already sending chasers? Happy to engage but busy, back later

Over 40% of employers admitted to it. Makes you wonder how many others feel the same but wouldn't admit it. The article that statistic came from featured a number of people with epilepsy who were disciplined for epilepsy-related absences or even told "you can only have 3 seizures a year or it'll be a disciplinary".

Of course epilepsy isn't the only disability, but there are plenty of us with epilepsy who'd like to work and need workplaces to be understanding and accommodating.

Yes, yes and yes again.
I have been saying this for years. The lack of critical thinking in the face of media and government propaganda is quite breathtaking.
And we mock the Maga mob? It is all much of a muchness - the same selfish nastiness is in too many people both here and in the US.
This is why I prefer animals to people.

Yeah. Let's just not invest in public infrastructure so that those people that actually go to work to pay for your benefits have the shittest possible experience stuck in traffic for hours.

Remind me - why is the country in such a state?

Your callousness is breathtaking, but it's surpassed by your arrogance.

And also, what do you propose people with disabilities do within your magical little scheme if their overall household income puts them over the threshold for UC (e.g. because of a spouse's income) but is not actually sufficient to support the household if the disabled person is deemed not to be entitled to anything?

Might help if some of the school run parents who live just metres away from the school walked instead of getting their cars out

The same thing every other family does?

Yes. I'm sure school run parents take a detour over the Thames before dropping the kids off metres from their starting point.

Oh i forgot that major traffic jams happen only in London My bad.

https://www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/news/24880227.braintree-saw-average-11-permits-day-roadworks-year/?ref=socialflow&fbclid=IwY2xjawI6mVlleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHWLdH8rVCrYgURuG19Ry3mmoh_EsIOAdZ32Bhp7mACtvR_y74clpBpia3w_aem_s8AjrUvWbP5LP5qSOBxTRg