To wonder if all those gleeful about PIP cuts are going to welcome people with serious mental health conditions as colleagues and employees?

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Given the amount of ableisism I see on MN I think the likelihood of people welcoming people with serious mental health conditions into their workplace is pretty low.
And yes, these people will very likely now be forced to try to work even though their condition makes it impossible. We are not just talking about some lazy twenty year old who expects to sit at home gaming due to his “anxiety” as many people seem to believe is the case. It will be people with significant impairments to social functioning.
Even if they get support to apply for jobs, and even if they then get the position (doubtful) how accommodating will colleagues or customers be if the person seems a bit odd, or gets adjustments workmates deem unfair?
This is going to be a total shit show.

What are you looking for and where? I found somebody a job to apply for on here a couple of days ago.

How many of the people have had the mh issues come on because of work?
Personally i just dont want to do 'teamwork' anymore. Yes in theory covers your sickness and illness but like a pp said if in a small team the other person goes off ill. I had that where of a larger team only 2 of us actually did the work. But the other person went off sick for an op for 3+ months. Then even when they were there they mentally werent capable of keeping up with the pace and accuracy of the work.
In previous teams a dept would come round to cut staffing levels so we lost 2 team members and took on loads extra work.
And another team we started with 1-2 systems then it grew to 5 (so 5x the amount to do..)
Ive dc with sen and i just cant deal with this much work stress too.

Over the course of 10 years it just got so much worse.

How do people think folk managed years ago? No heating, no lighting, lack of food. No luxury of getting help. There was no NHS. If you’d gone on about depression your neighbours would have shrugged and carried on slogging away because everyone was in a similar position. These days people do need to get a grip and despite having depression go get a bloody job.

My DH had PTSD from going to war and depression. He carried on working for 17 years until he was finally able to get help through a veterans charity. Life was hell and he was on the verge of suicide a couple of times but he kept going otherwise we’d have lost everything. I see him and think if he can do it then so should others.

Can confirm this; if you're the poster I'm thinking of with a different name in the other thread - despite differences in opinion throughout the thread, you were kind enough to take the time to help me find a suitable job to apply for (closing date is tonight at 23:59 so I'm 🤞🤞🤞)

1% of taxpayers pay just over 30% of all tax revenue. My DB works in Private Wealth Management in the City. We are losing our wealthiest tax payers at an alarming rate.

Indeed. DP and I are two high earners - we get zero benefits and we pay A LOT of tax. We talk often about either leaving the UK or a radical lifestyle change where we would earn less but have lower outgoings (currently live and work in London).

You can say ‘tax the rich’ but there is a limit, and a system that effectively incentivises either of these choices is really bad news for the economy.

I just want to keep repeating- many of us are disabled AND work. There are a cohort who are too ill to work and a larger cohort who could work with support.

Then there are people like me who are seriously ill AND work. Stop fucking lumping us all together under some umbrella of 'disabled benefits monkey'. I get PIP and only PIP. I work 2 professionally qualified jobs. DH works full time in a well paid job so we are eligible for nothing else. Stop talking about disabled people like some kind of homogeneous mass. I know who the government WANTED to target with this action but they were too cowardly. Much easier to blanket smear all disabled people.

Good luck! 🙂

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Thank you. I will DM you as don't want to out myself or derail thread!

Yes, wages are lower in Romania. Their wage levels and life expectations need raising.

There's taxing high earners such as yourselves, though, where I can understand your resentment, and then there's taxing the super rich. I mean people like Rishi and his cronies, the ones for whom paying a bit more tax is like losing 50p down the back of the sofa. (I'm exaggerating, obviously, but YKWIM.)

No that would cause inflation. There life expectancy is reaching eu average (not roma). It's just economics it's chapeau to make diffrent things in diffrent places

Fuck knows what job my DB could do.

He's bipolar, and has to have a monthly depot injection to keep it under control. For the first week or two after his injection, he's like a total fucking zombie, sleeps 14+ hours a day, can barely string a sentence together and has very slurred speech. Then has a week or so of being relatively "normal", although his speech is quite slurred and he seems to have some delay in processing speech, then he starts to get delusional thoughts and weird obsessions and becomes very "hyper".

I can't imagine what job he could do, or what employer would tolerate him being pretty bloody useless for approx 3 weeks out of 4.

He's nearly 60, too, and hasn't worked for the best part of 30 years.

i think sometimes we need to see the cold hard facts- it’s unsustainable and it’s increasing - we can’t tax the rich more as they create wealth and will leave.

the benefit changes may introduce many to work. I am aware of the employment challenges in some areas but I am in the northwest and have had friends leave and find jobs very easily as in their words it’s really easy to find work under 30k salary

30k is a high salary for a first job. My DDs in London with degrees from top universities earn less than that.

I read on social media " People with M.S go into remission. They should be tested yearly.
Well remission just means that the disease has stalled for a while. Which employers are going to want to employ someone who has a neurological condition that results in physical disability and is likely to have a relapse?
I know many people with M.S do work but sometimes it gets to a point when you can't. Gleefully saying if it goes into remission, then benefits should be removed seems rather poor form.

then they're chosen poorly paid work....my eldest did 2 years of uni and decided the field wasn't for him. He walked into a £30k job within a couple of months. Promoted within 12 months and now earning £42. He's not yet 21. We're not in London. And whilst the job is one that will top out around the £50k mark, he's making the most of the opportunities it is offering now to hopefully improve his future earning potential elsewhere.

What 'Little bit.' Would you like people to be doing exactly?

The money needs to be found from elsewhere, not by cutting the Help disabled people are given. Many of who do or did work for many years contributing to the pot.

You do realise that you too could be one of those people overnight. In your current situation, you probably can't imagine it. But you don't need to be able to imagine it to become disabled overnight.

Absolutely this. I've been suicidal over the years after a head injury and post concussion syndrome before being injured permanently by an off label antipsychotic. I've been living with a movement disorder called tardive dyskinesia and it's been hell at times, but i have 3 DC and need to work.

Nobody will give me a medal for this obviously, but sometimes I do think there really are probably a lot of people out there who have no idea what it is to be bloody strong and literally just get on with it come hell or high water.

Your DH sounds amazing, a stoical man and real inspiration.

My neurological involuntary movement disorder goes into remission too, but it's permanent and chronic and incurable, and unfortunately I'm not eligible for benefits for it.

I'm sure there will come a point whereby I can't work because of it getting worse - it might hugely flare possibly after menopause - but as long as I can sit WFH at a desk, I'm possibly going to be able to keep going.

My employer does. So do many other employers. Testing us annually would be a nonsense, it's a progressive condition. I do have a bit more time off than some colleagues but not much.

Yes, Jabtastic, I know many people do work. However, I have two people close to me who ended up being unable to work. M.S is horrible. I really hope that you are not badly effected by it.

Globalization should work to even out costs. Currently it seems to be used to reduce incomes in wealthy countries without raising them in poor countries. It's not economics that makes it cheaper to manufacture in some places than others, it's politics.

You're absolutely right OP. You have to be a special kind of moron to applaud these cuts - but such people still manage to reveal themselves.

At this point, anyone who voted for this Labour govt should be thoroughly ashamed.

Between stopping benefits for the disabled and mentally unwell, cutting the winter fuel allowance for the elderly and taxing hospices caring for sick children, they really have outdone themselves. Utter disgrace.

No you don't get to standardised everybody to your world view. Your are comparing like for like across diffrent econmoic realities.

1. It's cheaper to buy banana wood from countries who have an abundance of bananas that country's economy is based on that export its not oil but that is a middle income country with healthcare ect. Their labour is cheaper there col is cheaper this is trade.
2. A country has people as its main resource no mineral or farming goods no manufacturing, if that country has a highly educated workforce with high levels of workforce participation that could be a high income country if the self same country has low workforce participation and an increasing number of people not contributing for what ever reason, the country will decline. This is the fight Labour have got to win against the failure of the state, in the USA and ch8na the same thing is happening but they are not countries led by a British government they have no limits and more money to play with. What ever is going on in people's personal lives the society we live in needs to find a way to get better.

I get the terrifying perception people are thinking that people are being unkind that everybody's lying, no it's really bad for uk right now. Boris did give fair warning Brexit would lead to at least I think 10 years of difficulty so we are in the depths of it now. On the other side whatever happens wealthfare state in the UK is not sustainable outside of the EU, it's like a trick right tories are tricky it's what trumps team followed. The people who voted for trump are in larger numbers on benefits, trump says he will cut benefits they think he means Other people's benefits, they are learning now what it means to vote against your interests. Democrats are a little quiet did you notice? When in the next 100 years would they have the oppertunity to reshape reduce welfare while being blameless? I'm not gleeful I'm trying to paint the overall picture, it means quick as possible everybody who cares needs to work together to find another solution but I think going forward most countries want people to support themselves if possible if not then some will keep welfare others will place burden on families. That medical burden will take us back 150 years that's what we need to stop. Why in the clearest day were there train delays?????? Life :(