To think never again can Americans badge themselves as the good guys

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The millions who voted for Trump will go down in history akin to those who thought Adolf was a great guy.

Those sanctimonious bible belt so called Christians, full of values and morals supposedly, have blood on their hands.
If there is a God, and if there is a Judgement Day, they won't be going anywhere good.

I don't care if they see the error of their ways in decades to come. They didn't just vote for someone who put America First. They voted for someone who put dictators around the world first (and an unelected lunatic in the cabinet).
They have acted to the detriment of the safety and wellbeing of millions. They will not be forgiven.

Well, I know who the sheeple are...
And they're the first that those oligarch techno elites will consider to be the 'too many'. Lambs to the slaughter.

I think people are politicizing the issue with a lack of appreciation.

I'm a company director, and had a conversation yesterday with a stakeholder who was slightly aggrieved because they believed a comment I made was personal or directed against them. It wasn't. i told them all I was doing is referencing official company memorandum documents. These along with articles of association limit my ability to act carte blanche, I am bound by these rules.

In a similar way the US president in the swearing in cermony swears to uphold the constitution. They can be right or left or whatever but they must not undermine the constitution as this erodes democracy. Ultimately it could lead to tyranny in whatever form.

Now in the UK we dont have a constitution so perhaps can't see the relevance of it vs our US cousins.

The thing with Biden's tenure is it was littered with clear breaches of the constitution. Often passed down the line from govt depts to obscure state funded NGO's so there are no fingerprints and it's harder to trace back but there is a lot of evidence it was occurring in a number of ways. This undermined the constitution and democracy itself.

Grow up.

This kind of over simplistic 'everyone who doesn't agree with me is a right wing bigot spewing hate' gets no one anywhere. If everyone who voted for Trump did so because they're racists who want there to be less brown people, explain the literal millions of African Americans and Mexican Americans who voted for him.

You will never understand how people vote if you've already decided it's because they're wrong and stupid. Trying to impose their 'correct' views on the electorate from the top down, instead of actually hearing or addressing electors concerns and priorities, is part of what lost the Democrats this election. It's how you get the likes of Farage here. You don't listen and then you do a surprised Pikachu face because you never see it coming. Because you're so sure that everyone who thinks differently to you is wrong.

Again, whatever the wrongs of previous presidents, they're entirely dwarfed by the systematic undermining of the US constitution. There are so many of them I can't understand how Article 25 hasn't already been invoked. As you rightly point out, the President swears to protect and uphold the Constitution. He can't go around proclaiming himself Chief Law Enforcement Officer!
If there were shady dealings within government agencies, the right move would be to investigate through a transparent process, would it not? Not barge in, arbitrarily shut them down, make people redundant and DELETE loads of data - perhaps to be siphoned off for further use. No one knows the whys or the wheres or anything at all regarding any of Doge's 'processes'.

There is a perverse logic at work here: Trump voters' grievances were and are real, whatever other voters think. Ok. But they've fallen victim to a snake oil salesman. It's a bit like someone has the flu, it's arguably crap, no one likes having the flu, then a charlatan comes in and says 'I guarantee I'll make you forget all about your current ailment' - and inoculates them with the Black Death.

Part of why they've fallen is lack of an alternative - between a snake oil salesman saying he hears your concerns, he agrees with you and he'll fix them, versus superior ivory tower types telling you that your concerns are wrong and stupid, it's not hard to see how people choose.

Are you saying you'd rather have the Black Death from someone who at least pretends to listen to you (but likely despises you even more than the other guy because well... he gives you the Black Death, right?) than the flu from someone who openly snobs you? Just genuinely trying to understand.

It was a total mess in some areas. USAID was so unaccountable under bureaucratic control they didnt even have a mechanism in place to stop a payment, something fundamental to all accounting systems. $20m to make an Iranian Sesame St, $1m for Rory Stewarts wife to teach Afghani women to weave baskets, Gender clinics in India, dozens of other stupid examples including inadvertently funding Hamas. A profligate waste of taxpayer dollars.

They decided to cut 83% of the budget and put the remainder under accountable state control.

Sometimes if a place is a total mess the easiest thing to do is knock it all down, and then start again from the ground up. It's not ideal and I admit people can get hurt.

That’s true for many. They may care when they become isolated in the world because other countries do very little business with them and their tourism from abroad drops through the floor.

Sometimes if a place is a total mess the easiest thing to do is knock it all down, and then start again from the ground up

It's clear as day that the way in which this was done and the direction of travel this administration is taking indicates that it'll never start again in whatever form. Destruction is final.
I'm not against an audit where an audit is due. I'm not against reform. But that opaque wrecking ball? Not the solution and serves a shady agenda.

Do you have evidence that any of those expenditures are genuine? Trump invents and lies on a daily basis. Him saying it doesn’t make it true you know. As for Rory Stewart’s wife teaching Afghan women to weave baskets, they are not permitted to do anything outside the home. If they could go to a place to weave baskets, the weaving would likely be a cover for a space where they could have a voice.

No but obviously the snake oil salesman doesn't tell you about the black death part! he appears to listen and agree with you while the other side sneer at you and tell you you're wrong and stupid. People who feel unheard will go towards a person in power or potential power who says 'I'm on your side, I agree with you, I can fix it'. They don't necessarily ask 'how will you do that exactly ' because apparently being listened to is seductive and rare for some people.

True of course, that is also part of my point: people get tricked into it, but in the case of Trump, he did imply more than once that he doesn't believe in democracy. Or that his definition of democracy is one that looks very much like that in Russia. Surely once it becomes apparent that the snake oil salesman is a fraud, he should be even more reviled than sneery guy but I'm not seeing that happen. Is that denial? Too soon? When is too much?...

It's no different to the Leave campaign and their however many million £ a week more we'd have for the NHS if we left the EU. It was a lie, they knew it was a lie, there were no consequences to the liars after the referendum though.

Are you on glue?🤣

Hitler did not do anything wrong. He just made a few vague soundbites and contradictory statements. It was the public sector workers who committed massive crimes. Even the Swastika was a symbol of peace but the hateful hard left libs have made it a symbol of hatred and maligned this sign. MAGA could not display this symbol of peace without being attacked by the hard left zealots.

This shows how deranged the hard left have become which is why people voted Trump for sanity. He is carrying out his agenda for peace and normality. We can see how peaceful Gaza will become with a Trump golf course and hotel and spa complex and Ukraine with its Trump Rare Earth Mines and Trump nuclear power plants in a few years time. Trump would have brought back high paying jobs to the USA in 6 years and he will build a realm that will last a thousand years and his heirs will rule God’s chosen land for generations. All traitors will be imprisoned for their crimes of lying to the American people and America will become great again. Amen.

LOL

America have NEVER been the good guys.

Or it will cement their ideas about foreigners being anti-American thus a threat to America.

In this day of the Internet, I’m not so sure that America saving the day narrative is so necessary any more. People are savvy enough to know that there are agendas behind wars and that it’s not really about defeating the bad guys any more. The bad guys can use the Internet to muddy the waters between good and bad effectively and cheaply hence it people being more questioning about costly wars like Ukraine.

Yes, many may do that, but they will have to questions why comparatively few people want to visit “the greatest country in the world” since, to date, they hold the belief that every really wants to live there.

You mean the Marc Andreesen who was at a conference based on the “Soverign Individual” written by Rees-Moggs’ father in which people discussed how to get people to work for them if currency was worthless after the great collapse when society broke down? I think one of the ideas was to use shock collars or a neural implant on the brain to ensure compliance by underlings (untermenschen). A great guy along with Joe Broken (a right wing WWF compère) to get my political discourse from.

Movement of labour has always, until 5 minutes ago, been a concern of the left. Because it was understood that although it's great for capital owners, and even the middle classes, it is a problem for workers.

It's only when "labour" parties started to be dominated by the middle classes that suddenly the only reason anyone might be concerned about it was called a racist in leftist circles.

Even the left isn't managing to keep a lid on it though, with major economic groups and banks across western countries now acknowledging that yes, it does suppress wages, no, not all immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take, yes, there are significant up front costs to importing workers, and yes, large numbers of newcomers do affect things like availability of housing and health services.

So it really isn't very plausible any more to deny these things, no one is buying it no matter how certain middle class progressives try and deny it, and that all has a lot to do with the reason left wing parties are struggling. People, especially those workers at the lower end of the economic pyramid, think they are liars.

All research points to the opposite. Labour is not fungible (jobs are not fixed and grow and contract with the economy). With a vibrant economy and more workers jobs are created in a virtuous circle. Workers shop, they create more jobs for shop workers, the supply chains, they buy cars, eat out, buy food. This all co tributes to the economy and creates more jobs.

Some studies have shown that tThere is a negligible effect on wage suppression on new arrivals but this impact is very small and mostly impacts other new arrivals.

The left wing parties are struggling in some countries because of the effects of capitalism and the fact that they cannot address some structural issues of globalisation. Also populist parties also have simple slogans and also appeal to tribalism by blaming all the issues on foreigners. This is simplistic and ensures that a simple solution to a complex problem is easily digested. But as we can see in Trump’s America, simple solutions cause chaos and inhumanity when implemented. They also disproportionately impact and hurt the people who were all for the policies.

Can you give some concrete examples of clear breaches of the constitution?

I could also say that Biden had secret tunnels underneath the White House and chambers where he drained the blood of children to drink, but I like Q cannot find proof.

Spot on

Here's a few; enjoy.

Afghanistan withdraw. Did you see Kabul airport and 1000s of people running to cling onto the outside of the jumbo aircraft to escape the incoming taliban? The solders who were blown up shortly after because intel was not handled?

The southern border. During ongoing Covid mandatory lock downs, Biden was letting them thru with a test and without a plan. 9+ million. Bidens Fed agents welded the wall gates in Arizona open so that they could be closed off and for two months AZ is the highest entry port. Roughly 70% are denied asylum because they have misrepresented their story and the courts deport them.

Student loan debt and lies to win votes and circumvent the law by illegal action.

Drugs in the White House.

Special treatment and sweetheart legal deals for his Son Hunter who is a disgrace.

Bidens total and complete disregard for democracy in the sense that he’s weaponized the DOJ to file a barrage of “trumped up” charges that has empowered states to try and follow suit. More the 63% of voters in almost all polls reported that they believe the charges against Trump are political. This should be absolutely clear to every American with a brain.

The main stream news has been complicit in cover up Bidens wrong doings but the abiden administration has regularly been working with social media companies to have target info from targets people removed. It got so bad a state sued them and got an injunction that barred the federal government from communicating with social media companies to make sure requests. The federal government appeals the temporary injunction and it was lifted. The trial will drag out and Biden will be dead before anytime gets serious in court.

The disgusting trans mutilation of children and not taking a firm stance on the lunacy that ran rampant.