To think never again can Americans badge themselves as the good guys

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The millions who voted for Trump will go down in history akin to those who thought Adolf was a great guy.

Those sanctimonious bible belt so called Christians, full of values and morals supposedly, have blood on their hands.
If there is a God, and if there is a Judgement Day, they won't be going anywhere good.

I don't care if they see the error of their ways in decades to come. They didn't just vote for someone who put America First. They voted for someone who put dictators around the world first (and an unelected lunatic in the cabinet).
They have acted to the detriment of the safety and wellbeing of millions. They will not be forgiven.

To be fair though, how much have you researched it? You're obviously not dumb but if you aren't familiar with the subject you won't be aware of it. Here's a summary (using AI):

Drawing parallels between Donald Trump's leadership in 2025 and Nazi Germany in the 1930s is a complex and controversial endeavor, as both contexts are distinct in terms of historical, cultural, and political conditions. However, certain themes in governance and policy can be compared:
Centralization of Power
Trump (2025): Trump's administration has implemented policies aligned with Project 2025, aiming to centralize executive power. This includes proposals to eliminate the independence of agencies like the DOJ and FBI, replace civil servants with loyalists, and dismantle certain federal departments such as Education and Commerce136.
Nazi Germany: Adolf Hitler centralized power by merging the roles of Chancellor and President, making himself the sole Führer. The Nazi regime eliminated political opposition, banned other parties, and placed all institutions under party control47.
Use of Ideological Frameworks
Trump (2025): Project 2025 serves as a blueprint for Trump's policies, emphasizing conservative ideologies such as reducing federal oversight, opposing diversity initiatives, and promoting Christian-right values. Many actions appear pre-planned to align with this agenda136.
Nazi Germany: The Nazi Party operated under the Führerprinzip (leader principle), where Hitler's ideology dictated policy. The regime used propaganda to enforce loyalty and align all aspects of governance with its goals457.
Immigration and Social Policies
Trump (2025): Trump's administration has expanded detention facilities for undocumented immigrants, restricted public funding for them, and proposed mass deportations. Policies also target gender ideologies and diversity programs16.
Nazi Germany: The Nazis implemented discriminatory laws targeting Jews and other minorities, culminating in the Nuremberg Laws. They used state mechanisms to marginalize and persecute these groups7.
Economic Focus
Trump (2025): Trump's trade policies prioritize a production-based economy, focusing on manufacturing jobs and renegotiating trade agreements to favor American interests2.
Nazi Germany: Hitler's regime restored economic stability through public works projects and military rearmament, which were financed by deficit spending. These efforts were central to gaining public support during the Great Depression7.
Governance Style
Trump (2025): Critics describe Trump's leadership as chaotic but deliberate in advancing conservative goals. His administration fosters loyalty among appointees while pursuing significant structural changes in governance36.
Nazi Germany: Hitler's leadership style involved giving vague or contradictory orders, fostering competition among subordinates to consolidate his power. Governance was factionalized but ultimately served his central authority45.
Key Differences
While there are thematic similarities in centralization of power and ideological governance, key differences include:
The absence of a totalitarian state apparatus or overt suppression of political opposition in Trump's administration.
The lack of systemic persecution on the scale of Nazi Germany's genocidal policies.
These comparisons highlight concerns about authoritarian tendencies but must be contextualized within their respective historical frameworks.

You know Ireland, Switzerland and Austria are not members of NATO. Why should they pay into a club they are not members of? They are all neutral countries but contribute to the peace initiatives.

Deep seek? Try looking up Winnie the Pooh.

Well said @CovenOfCheeses but that's the problem isn't it, people make confident critiques of different countries while not being informed at all. Then that misinformation spreads and people just repeat it and get the wrong idea.

It's sad that that's your response, wanting to sound witty, saying a knee jerk response because you're angry & defensive (for some reason). That's how the world got into this mess in the first place...

@CovenOfCheesesyou seem to knee jerk to posts, what ‘untruths’ are you talking about in my post and what about U.K. cutting foreign aid?

You would have to disengage completely from history and world affairs to think America was the good guy at any point.
America has always worked for the interest of America and whichever ally helps preserve American interest.

The difference here is that the current president doesn't even care about America, the West or anyone else - just himself and his interest.

It's also worth remembering that this convict was voted into power and had convictions commuted/quashed by the great American justice system.
It's like a great unmasking.

apologies, this was just silliness and not meant to offend.

I'm grand not having a repeat sex offender and rapist in charge, thanks.

Trump most definitely does not have 'masculine energy'. He's got bully energy a-plenty but 'MASCULINE'? nope. I do not respect any man who behaves that way. Strong with the weak and weak with the strong? Come on... I hope anyone who thinks Trump is a paragon of masculinity is not raising any sons.
Trump is not a fighter, he was a draft-dodger during the Vietnam War and yet he had the absolute gall to call John McCain - a Republican if there ever was one - a loser for getting captured. The man had fought and was an actual war veteran with a survival story deserving of respect. Trump is a midget next to that.

There are army officers in my family. I feel especially strongly against cowards who won't serve their country.

I'm sorry, why have you quoted me? What's your point? Ireland, Switzerland, and Austria can can do whatever they like. I was talking about Americans.

This reads like an AI summary - the Project 2025 stuff just isn't compelling. It's a think tank document, they produced them all the time, and governments, on the right and left, draw from them all the time. Usually, you don't hear about it. It's not some right wing secret plan.

"That answer is really only very partly true in the sense that Marc Andressen is now a vc investor in AI companies and the Biden administration was literally de-banking AI firms with the stated remit that they wanted to control AI companies. As he explains the de banking is absolute total over reach by governments, asking private sector companies to punish businesses without having to change laws / go through due process etc. It’s back door gangsterism,
so yes, the democrats were against free trade and ability to generate wealth in tech, literally. You could say it’s simply ‘it’s the money’ but there’s much more at play in terms of upstanding the ethics of free trade and addressing government over reach."

I couldnt agree more with this, and if people take the time to watch the clip Andreessen explains how it evolved and how he knew many people debanked. The other side of the coin was even worse, individuals were labelled (PEPs, politically exposed people). Now one would think this is because of links to authoritarian regimes, in actual fact it was because they held democratic views. The story evolves to people being debanked by shady NGOs with no way of challenging it or redress. It is gangsterism.

As someone on here said, Rogan isn't the arbiter of truth and to a degree may be biased, but just exposing this helps society as a whole. You'd never hear of this on MSM on either side of the altantic, and if you did it'd be years after it happened. This is why the MSM is dying everywhere, people want the truth.

But great swathes of people, in fact the majority will never get this far. They'll just say Rogan this, Rogan that and dismiss the evidence from a tech billionaire because of the assumption it's all being said from a viewpoint of self interest.

However it's quite undeniable the above is essentially authoritarian capitalism, and if you look back in your history books you'll see this was the economic modus operandi of Nazi Germany.

In fact all the historical regimes whether it was China in the past or now, Russia, Nazi Germany, or Italiam fascism under Mussolini had a similar view of capitalism. It's necessary for economic growth and was present to some degree dependent on the regime selected, but in all these cases existed authoritarian capitalism or totalitarian capitalism. That's what the US was moving towards.

Don't get me wrong, Trump is no angel, far from it, but the other side is far worse.

I find it funny when I see polls from the UK asking about the favourability of Trump, it's irrelevant. Trump is there on a manifesto presented to the people and voted into office upon. Like it or loathe it he seems steadfastly committed to delivering on that manifesto. Contrast that with the UK where Starmer had broken dozens of manifesto commitments in his first 8 months, all in the name of wilful managed decline.

There will be a rocky start but Trump's administration will ultimately be successful for the American people and their livelihoods I have no doubt.

Meanwhile in the UK we'll persist with a government so poor, serving a globalist agenda which slowly ruins the place.

I think America thought of themselves as the good guys who were willing to do the dirty work for the greater good. When you think of American popular culture its a main theme ( think of the body count in the average American action movie) We all consume that culture and to an extent were trained to accept that idea.
The last scale fell from my eyes when I realised that the US was going to do nothing meaningful to tackle climate change and they haven't exactly done anything recently to redeem themselves.

Trump calls climate change a scam.

In the UK we persist in damaging ourselves. Why isn't anyone in govt unwilling to tell us the real cost and catastrophic implications, some of which we are already feeling? Instead we have to reply on leaked documents.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/33936057/net-zero-crash-economy-leaked-document/

The problem is that Rogan and all the other rightwing influencers give a platform to the same dark ideology...
Marc Andreesen is an architect of techno-fascism. This is his vision below (quoted from an otherwise very academic essay on Nietszche's enduring influence). It's not abstract. It's the vision those guys have for humanity. Andreesen packages his thoughts into a techno-optimistic vision but... all of that is only possible through the abolition of the rule of law and ANY regulations. It would be utterly naive to think that this vision will serve the masses - any superhuman vision leads to a merciless culling of the weakest and most vulnerable. In that brave new world, most of us will be surplus to requirement.
20th century history is littered with examples of how Nietszchean fantasies have destroyed societies:

Venture capitalist Marc Andreesen, responsible for the money behind Netscape and Twitter, has recently proclaimed himself a spokesman of the e/acc movement in his “Techno-Optimist Manifesto.” The rambling text centers on an extended citation of Nietzsche’s Zarathustra. In a section titled “The Enemy,” Andreesen names Nietzsche’s “last men” as that which accelerationism must overcome. He links the thought of the last man—the form of human life that seeks to preserve itself at any cost—with those who would slow the untrammelled development of technological progress: “We believe these captured people are suffering from ressentiment—a witches’ brew of resentment, bitterness, and rage that is causing them to hold mistaken values, values that are damaging to both themselves and the people they care about.”
Andreesen has been perusing, or perhaps skimming, Nietzsche: aside from quoting Zarathustra and coopting his “last men,” he also deploys “ressentiment,” one of Nietzsche’s cherished terms. Andreesen overlays Nietzschean language on contemporary debates about technology and capitalism, suggesting that liberal/leftist desires for tech regulation and progressive social policies are contemporary expressions of nihilism. Under a bold heading that reads “Becoming Technological Supermen,” Andreesen writes: “We believe in deliberately and systematically transforming ourselves into the kind of people who can advance technology.” What such a systematic transformation would entail remains vague, but the message is clear enough: unleash the übermenschlich tech bros—thus spoke Andreesen.

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The problem is people don't have the critical thinking skills to look below the headlines and accept what the Obama and Biden administrations were doing was moving the country towards authoritarian/ totalitarian capitalism through a massive unaccountable NGO lead bureaucratic regime.

When this is established, then you can compare their actions to historic regimes, and take a view.

Then when you've done this, and only then you can look at the other side and people like Trump, Musk and Andreessen who are diametrically opposed to all of this and label them accordingly.

Oh the Irish, Welsh and Scots were also at the forefront of the colonial push, believe me!

Listening to Radio 4 PM last night USA uni cuts and well publized visa issues mean international students may well start looking at alternatives to USA universities - so our beleaguered uni sector may be able to grab some more international students who currently help fund the sector and sub UK students.

The tourist money USA already losing will go elsewhere - and again UK could hugely benefit there.

I think Canada looking to Japan for energy deals - there a big wide world out there to export to.

In contrast looks of it USA farming in trouble - I'm reading investment money needed to expand their current manufatoring base is worried about uncertainty in USA and again had other places it can go- the tourist sectors is already getting hit. Their film and TV sectors been in trouble for years. I think they'll head into recession - how long and how deep who knows but I don't think they'll come out stronger.

I think many in USA or who consume their right wing media seem to think rest of world will just wait out next 4 years out - but they did that with last Trump term - then Biden left a lot of trump polices in places - so I think rest of the world is going to move on economically - sure there will be short term pain but long term rest of world will be fine. If USA starts any wars - that will be more of an issue - but I think them becoming more isolationist is being factored in eveywhere or rapdily adapted to.

I agree it doesn't it matters what UK citizen think of Trump - but we are all watching how we get affected and how our and other governments are responding.

First of all, anyone with a modicum of critical thinking skills as you say will understand that two wrongs don't make a right!
Whatever the supposed wrongs of the Obama/Biden administrations, it does not prevent us from scrutinising and criticising the ideology underpinning this current regime.

This isn't a get out of jail card for voting for racist and bigoted policies and ideals.

We know people believe in different things..these ' different things' are racist lies and far right propaganda spewed by TV Channels like GB News and papers like the Express, Sun & Daily Mail.

Their genuine concerns are that there are too many brown people for their liking.

The economic worries assume that immigrants are on the take, rather than contributing to the economy

Traditional values? in other words stick your fingers in your ears about climate change and long for the time when non whites knew their place.

Also, if you think Trump is good for the US Economy, you are in for a shock..probably a bigger one than the idiots and bigots that voted for Brexit had when they realised Britain wasn't the almighty superpower the right wing media portrays it to be.

Very simply, if you voted for Brexit or Reform ..particularly Reform..you are stupid, naïve and easily led, or a racist...or very probably both.

Hey Mr Man telling us all what to do.

No, we won't listen to a far right mouthpiece that helped get Trump elected.

Also anyone that talks about the ' Mainstream Media' not being real ( as opposed to nutjobs creating YouTube videos in their mums basement ) can't be taken seriously.

I'm not sure why I'm responding to you as you are the typical arrogant ' you are all sheeple, I know the truth' conspiracy theorist that doesn't listen to anyone else.

In Ireland in the last few years we’ve sunk lower and lower as history came to light of women being put into workhouses, their babies given abroad, abuse of young children, shaming of people etc etc etc.

I started thinking how we are almost equivalent to Germany in their history and think we should talk and hopefully exist in the tone of Germany, who now have rebuilt themselves into a country that tries to help others and also tells the story of the war as a ‘lest we never forget’ tale.

The us has sunk so low and hopefully one day they’ll figure out how to be seen as respected by other countries because of helpfulness and values. Trump and Vance are the lowest form of human beings there is and it’s mind boggling that their senate must be as bad because in the past objections were rife with anything any president did but now not a peep!

Yeah cause techno-fascism is so much more desirable for the average worker than liberal democracy...