So, who is going to employ all these disabled people the government wants to wean of welfare

[Jimisnotmyname]

Really wondering. Not saying it is necessarily a bad thing to encourage those who can work, to work but as a carer for 2 disabled family members, I am hugely struggling to find another job as nobody is willing to give me any flexibility (which I need as a carer) and there are always candidates who do not need the same accomodations I do. I would imagine that many of those currently not in work because of disability or a health condition, will often need a similar level of flexibility. I just wonder who on the the government think will offer jobs galore on these circumstances??

Have you tried?

Just like have you tried to access places like shops, museums, theater etc… all those places that are deemed accessible.
Because it’s funny how many of those are actually NOT accessible despite all their claims.

What should happen and what is happening are works apart.

I mean, I have to disagree with you there.

many, many people choose not to work.

whichbidcwhy these changes are needed.

When OT recently assessed my son's school, they were surprised it had a lift which is lucky for my son because what will be his classroom and accessible toilet are upstairs.

They said that a lot of schools don't have lifts and aren't very accessible for wheelchairs. I'm assuming they largely do the bare minimum from what OT said at my sons school assessment.

You do realise a third of the workforce are disabled or have long term health conditions?

You can disagree until you're blue in the face. I'll listen when you present the evidence.

I noticed this too, as if disabled people need saving from the horror of not working and getting benefits. When for most who can't work the benefits are a lifeline.
Work is not amazing, wonderful and the answer to everything. It's hard, stressful and exhausting, and that's when you're well.

How many? I actually work in benefits and the majority of claimants are working or elderly. A vanishing small number are out of work.

But you still have the privilege to be able to do so.

Indid too. Until I couldn’t. It wasn’t that I am not used to hard work. I e spent 10 years pushing myself, living in pure survival mode agd not doing anything but work. And yet now I can’t.
I dint have the privilege to be able to push through.

There are lots of companies that will absolutely accommodate WFH as a reasonable adjustment, in fact you’d be hard pushed to find one, in my experience, who would refuse that unless there were specific concerns about performance.

Our school had a lift installed when it was introduced as one of those new academy/college campuses.

The lift never bloody worked though.

On paper it was accessible but in reality it wasn't.

You do realise that the majority of people on disability benefits are in poverty don't you? £90 a week won't give you a life of luxury. You'll also be expected to find work or be sanctioned.

Evidence? Links to statistics or is it just a feel?

The Daily Mail said so and we all know it's a bastion of facts and troof.

Well that’s interesting because quite a few disabled people were chuffed when Covid started agd wfh was inspired. They could work. And now…. They’ve been told ‘to get back to the office’ and they have to stop.

That includes Civil Service btw.

Thats tye danger with only looking at your iwn experience. It doesn't always reflect the whole reality.

Agreed. We have one day a week "mandated" in the office but there has never been any issues even if I haven't been able to go in for weeks at a time

Absolutely.....
Loads of people must think the same. I do.
They never say where all.these jobs will appear from..

So why do you think the govt has introduced these changes? JustvTo piss off the people who will be voting in 3 years time?

or because it’s a recognised fact that there are too many people claiming benefits who could and should be supported babk to work.

My understanding from what you’d said was that you chose to/wanted to. If I’ve misinterpreted that then I apologise.

FWIW I’d actually prefer that our benefits system allowed enough that it wasn’t a necessity for people to work, when the end result was needing to immediately go to bed. I think it’s grossly unfair that that’s necessary, and unless for some reason somebody wanted that for themselves, there should be actual choice involved and it shouldn’t be a necessity to live.

Rather than cutting the disability benefit bill, you could make it bigger for me and I’d gladly contribute more into it.

We waste money on a lot of things in this country, disabled people isn’t one of them. If anything, it’s already too hard to get that money and there’s already not enough of it. Making that budget smaller is the opposite of what I think is needed.

And yep et even in MN you regular,y have threads about people moaning because they have to go back to,the office. Even if it’s 2 days a week.

That's providing they'll hire you in the first place, though. And providing there isn't a wait time before you can apply to wfh. And that's providing you're well enough to get to the interview. And that the interview room is wheelchair accessible....etc....

Confession: I have not read all the comments.!

I did pick up on a few comments. It’s seems that employers are generally being less flexible of late. Employers pay a lot of lip service to being flexible and accommodating / making adjustments. However are employers really on the ground because in my experience they are not that interested in reasonable adjustments or flexibility.

I think physically disabled people will find it very hard to find work in the current climate unless they have a in demand shortage skill.

also I think maybe they should make
pip means tested. If you can afford your own or family extra needs you should probably just pay them.

This is all very worrying.

My husband has a serious mental illness. I don't know if he will have any problems getting PIP under the new rules, but if god forbid he doesn't get it we are going to struggle. But it's the sickest people who are now sitting here worrying about their future, who will have to fight harder etc. You can't trust that you won't be the one who falls between the cracks of a stupid point system.

It's all good to say that those who genuinely can't work won't have to if you aren't the one in this situation. I have no faith that the government will get this right and I am so so sick of seeing disabled people having to jump through so many fucking hoops to get the basics.

Who is going to employ someone who has been unable to work for years on end?

People don't like to employ people with very little work experience and no references. They don't like to employ people who can't consistently function enough to hold down a job due to serious mental illness like bipolar and schizophrenia.

Care in the community is so woeful that there is basically no support, so then it is left to loved ones to pick up the pieces, causing their earning potential or ability to work to suffer.

Some people have no idea how it is for others, or how the NHS and government fail us. Sort out the NHS and mental health care then you might find that if people get the support and care they need, it might be possible that more people can get back into work.

Sadly, for my husband he has been let down so badly by the NHS for so many years that it's too late for work to be an option now. He desperately wanted to be able to. Let's not even mention the back to work schemes that resulted in no job years ago.

Because they thought it was an easy way to make savings.

And because they’re twats that dint represent anything that the Labour Party used to stand for.
Even worse there are quite a few economists that thinks it’s a bad idea forvtye economy itself….

I have a colleague who is paralysed from the chest down. She gets herself up, showers, dresses, does all her own transfers from bed to chair etc. walks her dogs, drives to work, gets her own lightweight wheelchair out of her van (drags it out behind her) transfers again, works 4 hours at a call centre then gets herself back in her van (someone lifts her wheelchair into the back) and goes home.
She can cook, clean, basically pretty much do anything that you and I can.
She suffers constantly with nerve pain, she’s often very tired and she is medicated with nerve block drugs that make her feel unwell.
She has to follow a bowel routine and catheterisation, both done in work as we have everything accessible for her.
Determination is the key. I often marvel at her effort and resilience - she wants to work for her own self respect and to give something to society.
Then I see people who claim they can’t work because they have balance issues, a tremor, a bad back, fibromyalgia, insomnia etc. and I have no patience with it.

And because there's so much ableism in society that nobody really cares unless they're directly affected