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To want 9s not 7s for my child in their GCSEs?

438 replies

ZeldaFighter · 13/03/2025 17:40

Child is a model student and no problems with behaviour or attendance. Definitely seems intelligent and diligently completes homework, often without prompting.

Report is 6s and 7s. Husband is pleased and says they're As and Bs. He thinks only kids in private schools doing extended papers get 9s.

I got As, Bs and Cs many years ago but I always strived for As. AIBU to think they should be getting 9s or at least striving for them?

OP posts:
Schoolchoicesucks · 14/03/2025 13:21

You strived for A's but achieved A's, B's and C's. Presumably A* or A** weren't a thing then.

How did you feel about your B's and C's?
Were your parents and teachers proud of them? Did you feel that you achieved what you were capable of?

6's and 7's are good grades. If your DC is a model student and is working hard to achieve those then those grades should be celebrated. If DC is coasting and could achieve 6's and 7's in their sleep and is fully capable of achieving 9's with a little effort then yes DC should be encouraged to work towards that. But pressing someone to achieve beyond what is realistic is unwise.

I wonder if you would achieve 9's if you sat them OP.

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 13:21

I think a football analogy is relevant here. By definition, only 11 players can start for Barcelona (with maybe double that in the first team squad).

Should Lionel Messi just have given up and accepted mediocrity just because only a small group get to play for Barcelona?

Schoolchoicesucks · 14/03/2025 13:35

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 13:21

I think a football analogy is relevant here. By definition, only 11 players can start for Barcelona (with maybe double that in the first team squad).

Should Lionel Messi just have given up and accepted mediocrity just because only a small group get to play for Barcelona?

I don't think anyone suggested OP's child should not bother sitting the exams unless they are going to achieve 9's.

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 13:39

Schoolchoicesucks · 14/03/2025 13:35

I don't think anyone suggested OP's child should not bother sitting the exams unless they are going to achieve 9's.

No, but Lionel Messi (or his parents) could have said there’s no point aiming to play for Barcelona as only 22 people can do so, and settled for Watford instead.

LilacPeer · 14/03/2025 13:39

I think the switch to numbers has thrown me a bit. I got all A*s and As at GCSE. I found school very easy and only now do I realise how lucky I was. I had one DD get her grades in 2020 and they were based on not much really! My second DD is now in year 10 and is predicted 6/7/8s. I was secretly disappointed when she brought her report home with the predictions. She is very intelligent and 6s sounded so meh on the scale. But in comparison to when I sat the exams, I now realise, these results would be brilliant. My DD would be perfectly capable of 9s in some subjects if she wanted to dedicate herself entirely to her studies. She doesn't want this and I'm not going to force it from her.

I don't think its unreasonable to want the best. I think its unreasonable to let your kids know that their best isnt good enough for you though.

pursuitOfSomething · 14/03/2025 13:41

I find it hard - my middle child probably only one even near as driven as I was.

Youngest - well I wish she was doing more but her teachers seem happy. I have to step carefully we had issues last year around anxiety - not from home pressure more school environment being hard - which do seem to have gone for the moment. She no less capable than middle child but worry she could do more and aim higher.

She should get the grades for the next step - and I don't think you can demand certain grades - just focus what they are doing - be supportive as you can be - checking in and seeing if they need anything.

I spent a lot of time stress about eldest - she didn't do as well a predicted but got where she wanted to be and I don't think all the worry we had helped her at all in the end.

Tiswa · 14/03/2025 13:42

It depends I think Lionel Messi had an abundance of natural talent and enjoyed it.

Ronaldo is very much the player who refused to accept mediocrity and whose work rate took his talent from being one of the pack to being out in front. But even he admits it was at the expense of pretty much everything else in his life.

the ability to be Ronaldo (and perhaps someone like Salah) is a personality thing and not something you can push onto your children.

and football does have those who whom they failed and for whom it was too much and for whom going up to the higher level destroyed their career - Jack Grealish and Kalvin Phillips comes to mind

parenting should be about working out actually (and yes I do like this analogy) if you have a Messi a Ronaldo or if you have a Grealish/Phillips for whom pushing too much coild be a disaster

pursuitOfSomething · 14/03/2025 13:45

Also sometime the predicted grade don't mean what you think - some department won't predict highest marks, some predictions are pessimistic or wildy off especially if kids is quiet in class- and some teachers were taking it as if they sat the exam tommorow and not at end of the course. So found it worth asking in parent evenings what they meant.

glittereyelash · 14/03/2025 13:46

Great that you always strived for 9s but that was you and your life. Let your child live theirs!

mysecretshame · 14/03/2025 13:59

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 13:21

I think a football analogy is relevant here. By definition, only 11 players can start for Barcelona (with maybe double that in the first team squad).

Should Lionel Messi just have given up and accepted mediocrity just because only a small group get to play for Barcelona?

I think it's very sensible for most people to realise that they don't have the talent and skills to play for Barcelona.
If you are sure that your DC is capable of 9s then it's certainly worth putting whatever you can in place for them to achieve this. But the OP has not said that they are capable of 9s, they are currently getting 6s and 7s and already working hard. She has only said that she thinks they should be aiming for 9s because she was aiming for As.
Working to someone else's unreasonable expectations is very demoralising. By GCSE age, the motivation should start to be coming from the child themselves and not the parents.

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 14:05

mysecretshame · 14/03/2025 13:59

I think it's very sensible for most people to realise that they don't have the talent and skills to play for Barcelona.
If you are sure that your DC is capable of 9s then it's certainly worth putting whatever you can in place for them to achieve this. But the OP has not said that they are capable of 9s, they are currently getting 6s and 7s and already working hard. She has only said that she thinks they should be aiming for 9s because she was aiming for As.
Working to someone else's unreasonable expectations is very demoralising. By GCSE age, the motivation should start to be coming from the child themselves and not the parents.

They aren’t working hard- they’re doing an hour every other night. My DC had more homework and revision than that in year 7.

If they are achieving 7s with hardly any work, they could easily do better with some effort.

Schoolchoicesucks · 14/03/2025 14:05

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 13:39

No, but Lionel Messi (or his parents) could have said there’s no point aiming to play for Barcelona as only 22 people can do so, and settled for Watford instead.

Do you think Messi's success was because his parents told him to strive for it or because he had his own desires and motivations to achieve as well as the necessary talent?

Tiswa · 14/03/2025 14:09

Schoolchoicesucks · 14/03/2025 14:05

Do you think Messi's success was because his parents told him to strive for it or because he had his own desires and motivations to achieve as well as the necessary talent?

I think the drive to get out of poverty plays a part as well - and to help fix his growth issues as well.

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 14:18

Schoolchoicesucks · 14/03/2025 14:05

Do you think Messi's success was because his parents told him to strive for it or because he had his own desires and motivations to achieve as well as the necessary talent?

I assume he was self-motivated. However, not many 16 year olds are able to think very far into the future. That is why parents have a role in encouraging and gently cajoling if needed.

FiveWhatByFiveWhat · 14/03/2025 14:42

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 14:05

They aren’t working hard- they’re doing an hour every other night. My DC had more homework and revision than that in year 7.

If they are achieving 7s with hardly any work, they could easily do better with some effort.

The kid is predicted perfectly good grades, does homework and sorts their own supplies/equipment themselves without prompting and is getting very positive reports from school overall.

If the parents "expect better" then maybe they should actually get involved and help support them, instead of shrugging "well, middle child, what can we do??"

Tiswa · 14/03/2025 14:47

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 14:18

I assume he was self-motivated. However, not many 16 year olds are able to think very far into the future. That is why parents have a role in encouraging and gently cajoling if needed.

I am going out on a limb to say yiur knowledge of Messi is Barcelona and very good.

the problem is getting out of poverty (Ronaldo is definitely motivated by this) and getting access to healthcare (Barcelona paid for his growth hormones) are massive incentives to better your life

the problem is however much you say GCSEs are looked at (and to a certain extent they are) for a lot the difference between all 9s and a range between 6-9 is such the motivation isn’t there.

plus for year 10 there is nothing to say it won’t be 8 and 9s

LittleBigHead · 14/03/2025 14:53

But we asked how we can support him and they said "keep doing what you're doing" - we're not doing anything!!! It's all him!
I'm terrified that we're not supporting him enough and it will all slip away.

@ZeldaFighter are you doing extra-curricular enrichment with your DC? Do you encourage this 'bright' DC and indeed all your DC to read for pleasure, for interest in learning? Do you encourage productive hobbies (not gaming) where they'll learn skills and social interaction & exposure to new people and ideas? Do you encourage learning an instrument or doing drama or similar sorts of fun things which also train skills and abilities?

It sounds as though you expect all the education of your DC to be the responsibility of their schools. It's not. You should be actively encouraging learning, not just school education. That's the way your clever DC might get 9s in GCSEs - at least in those he's really interested in.

LittleBigHead · 14/03/2025 14:54

FiveWhatByFiveWhat · 14/03/2025 14:42

The kid is predicted perfectly good grades, does homework and sorts their own supplies/equipment themselves without prompting and is getting very positive reports from school overall.

If the parents "expect better" then maybe they should actually get involved and help support them, instead of shrugging "well, middle child, what can we do??"

Quite. There seems to be a lack of parental responsibility or action for the education of their child.

WombatChocolate · 14/03/2025 15:28

Some parents are very content with arms length involvement - they leave everything to school and to the child. They feel much more than the odd word of encouragement is pressure or over involvement.

At the other end of the spectrum is micro-management and parents living their own lives and hopes via their child. It can be total control with the child being allowed no autonomy if their own.

As always, there’s a happy balance. It does require parental recognition if their role in parenting rather than leaving it all to school or to the child who cannot be expected to always know what’s best for themselves and might need some direction. To me, sensible parent is being aware of one’s child and making it the parents business to gain info about their child’s abilities and potential, enthusiasms and struggles. And then the active parent makes decisions about when and where to get involved and which areas to back off from. They recognise their child as an individual but want to help them towards doing the best they are capable of and learning to take responsibility for themselves and their own choices. And this ha to be learned gradually and practiced. Many young adults and even older adults lack some of these skills because they weren’t helped towards them as teens.

I think these days, more parents are veering towards the first of the 3 categories. I think Op wants to be the 3rd category of active involvement without micro management. But as this thread shows, many parents view any level of active involvement or voicing concerns of hopes their DC will do their best, as being the micro managing 3rd type. And they are critical if it. It is almost as if it’s socially unacceptable for many parents to feel they can have hopes for their child or give them any direction and guidance, never mind expectation, as anything of this type is seen as undue and dangerous pressure. Again, this sub balanced and doesn’t help kids.

I think OP wants to be active rather than micro manage…..but like many parents, isn’t quite sure what that should involve. She recognises DC is doing pretty well. Others whose children might be capable of less, immediately see this as criticism of their own kids - when it isn’t: they suggest OP should be thrilled to have a DC on for 7s as they would be thrilled with scenario. But OP’s DC is an individual with their own potential. Sounds like a steady DC who is reasonably diligent and basically plodding forward. That’s good stuff and a good starting point, and admist a crisis of mental health and anxieties, many would love their child to just be plodding forwards - because often they aren’t.

But there can be more and there should be more for many. Children can help have their aspirations raised beyond plodding forward with an hour of work every other day. Many could achieve more than the 7s they might get this way, if they had a sense that lots of kids do achieve more, that more sixth form options will be open with more and more uni courses and careers. And they can learn that hard work and an element of sacrifice sometimes can really pay off and open doors. Learning to lean-in and take the longer view and what to for longer term goals is a mark of maturity and younger children can start to learn it with parental support - no hot housing needed. Maybe Op needs to chat to school about what they feel DCs potential is. Perhaps they could deepen their understanding of the GCSE assessment and how grades impact A level choices and careers and get a sense of how other families whose kids are doing well structure their time. Parents don’t need to be afraid to parent their children…not micro managing, but setting them up to succeed. It doesn’t happen by magic and school alone won’t do it and the idea that small children and teens can or should be totally responsible for that, is parents abdicating responsibility in my view.

And we see these kids then becoming confident to trust their own judgements, knowing they have the tools and skills to work through difficulties and to manage as they go out into the world ….happy to travel to cities they haven’t been to, to talk to people they don’t know or mix with people from different situations, to believe that they can have hopes and dreams which with hard work can be achieved. Some need more help and support to get to that stage, but isn’t that what we want for our kids, rather than being stuck in teenage immaturity and lie aspiration because we weee too scared to help them see more?

Thismightbeouting · 14/03/2025 15:40

SeaSwim5 · 14/03/2025 09:32

This must be the most unaspirational post I’ve ever read on here. 3 hours a week of revision is not ‘working hard’- it is nowhere near enough for anyone who wants good grades. My DC had more homework than that in year 7.

Of course a grade 7 is good if that is the best a DC can get with hard work, but that is clearly not the case here.

This ‘just pass’ attitude does DC no favours as it limits future opportunities and doesn’t let them see the importance of hard work in other areas of life.

Maybe you read it wrong?

Thismightbeouting · 14/03/2025 15:48

Thismightbeouting · 14/03/2025 15:40

Maybe you read it wrong?

Pressed send too soon and sounded snippy. Sorry! 🤣

I meant to say...

CurlewKate · 14/03/2025 17:17

Isn’t it something like 0.4% of GCSE candidates get all 9s?

WombatChocolate · 14/03/2025 17:40

Yes. But I’m not sure Op was suggesting she hoped they would get all 9s….wasn’t it more about just not being too easily satisfied but aiming for the best?

Tiswa · 14/03/2025 17:40

CurlewKate · 14/03/2025 17:17

Isn’t it something like 0.4% of GCSE candidates get all 9s?

Google has it at even less!

WhatGoesHere · 14/03/2025 17:40

CurlewKate · 14/03/2025 17:17

Isn’t it something like 0.4% of GCSE candidates get all 9s?

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