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To ask when your ND and NT children got fully ready for school? ***title edited by MNHQ at OP's request***

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LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 10:34

I'm feeling like my dcs should be doing more for themselves. I realise all children are different, have different capabilities and develop at different rates. Maybe these things are normal, and I am expecting too much, or are they running rings around dh, and I? I feel like it is the latter.

At what age did your dc get up with an alarm clock, get their school uniform on, and come down for breakfast? How much involvement did you have?

When I was 8, I did it all, but I am NT, so I understand it was alot easier for me, and those were different times. I grew up with a depressed dm who laid in bed every morning. This meant I grew up quicker, brought her a cup of tea before school from 8 years old, other people would take me to school, or I would walk with my sibling etc. I didn't eat breakfast half of the time, nobody was there to ensure I did. Due to this, it is very important to me, that I am there fully for my dcs in the morning. I love being there for them, this isn't the issue whatsoever.

Dc1 has just turned 8, and the other is 5. The 8 year old is ND with autism and ADHD; he struggles with anxiety which can be challenging. He is very intelligent and academically where he should be at school, if not a head in some areas. He is an absolute whizz on computers to the point he is better than some adults. He is full of facts and can tell you to the finer detail about them on repeat. He is a lovely kid, polite and sensible. The thing I am struggling with is getting him to follow instructions at home without having an autistic melt down. If he doesn't want to do things, or isn't interested in something he will outright refuse to do it, or take an eternity to carry it out, despite being more than capable of the action I am asking him to do. He hates to follow instructions, it doesn't matter how early we get up, it just takes such a long time. He will make it so difficult to the point time runs out and I have no choice but to do it for him. Then he will complain through this, and want feelings reaffirmed, "I love you Mum, do you love me, I'm stupid etc."

I have a visual timetable for mornings, dc1 understands this well, and knows he needs to go to the toilet, brush his teeth, dress his bottom half, (I do his tops), as he has sensitivities with this so I have to put them on like the speed of light. Then I send him downstairs to get a smoothie out of the fridge and watch some tv (he enjoys this part, and likes the independence because it is something he 'wants' to do), while I then get the 5 year old ready. This is all I expect of dc1, he did it a couple of times and I was over the moon thinking finally, but now we are back to square 1. He is procrastinating and wandering. He'll either want a long cuddle or faff around to the point I can't leave him and have to supervise instructing him to do X,Y, and Z. He then gets upset because he doesn't like being told what to do and when to do it; it has to be on his terms.

Now my 5 year old is copying and saying he can't do it in regards to getting ready; he was very keen and independent wanting to do these things from 2. However, now he is copying dc1. Mornings are stressful, and I don't think I can go on this way.

5 year old is NT, takes ages to get up, I take him to the bathroom make sure he goes to the toilet, I then brush his teeth, get him fully dressed, bring him downstairs. I then make their breakfasts, and I have to remind them constantly to eat them. I tell them they need to hurry and finish breakfast. They ignore me, then say they're eating it. Then I will say shoes on, and they both ignore me. I end up raising my voice and saying, "Come on, dcs, we're going to be late for school." Then 8 year old will hit himself in the face say it's his fault, and be on the verge of a melt down. Sometime he'll tell me he hates me too, just because I'm trying to get them to school on time. I even have to put their shoes on, because they'll complain. Dc2 is a little more willing to help sometimes. It is exhausting, and it feels like they should be a bit more independent by now. They'll do their coats at least. At this point we're running out of the door, and I have to repeatedly tell my 8 yr old that I love him, that he isn't stupid and to stop raising his fists to his face. The younger one is easier this way, and I try to give him attention as well so that he isn't left out, then then dc1 one tells me I love him better, despite him getting more attention on the whole, because he is so demanding and attention seeking. Often we are walking down the street with dc1 telling me he hates me, or hates himself. I feel like an utterly useless Mother.

Does anybody have experience of this? I'm drained by it, and exhausted before we even get out of the door. I'm not shouty, but do raise my voice as a last resort (more a firmer tone), but not shouting or anything like that. I honestly don't know what on earth more I can do.

I do want to add that some days are better than others (but most are like the above).

Edited to say: I am sorry this is so long. I understand if nobody reads it all.

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Tryingtohelp12 · 12/03/2025 10:42

No idea… some is 6.5 and no sign yet. It’s frustrating because he can do it if it’s something he wants to do (go the grandads, swimming etc.) I have essentially stopped helping him except socks, but I can’t just leave him to it I have to stay in the room and continuously prompt him. Being consistent is helping and lots of praise.

no telly till all our jobs are done (dressed breakfast dishwasher, bag ready etc.)
my just turned 4 year old daughter gets herself about 70% done, just needs help with tights and teeth.

it’s draining as we also have a baby so getting 4 people ready every day is a drag.

JoyousEagle · 12/03/2025 10:47

My nearly 6 year old gets ready herself.

She doesn't have an alarm clock but she's never slept past 7am in her entire life Confused
She'll get dressed without prompting, I make breakfast though, and I brush teeth to make sure it's done properly as I think she's too young to do that fully herself. She brushes after I do it.

She needs prompting to put her shoes on but only "time to go, get your shoes on" and then she does.

I'd be encouraging a NT 5 year old to dress himself. My nearly 3 year old can almost do it and I don't consider her particularly advanced, but they do encourage independence with stuff like that at her nursery which probably helps.

SquigglePigs · 12/03/2025 10:49

I think it's so variable, both age and personality dependent.

DD is 6 and officially NT although I suspect possibly inattentive ADHD.

Some mornings she wakes up and gets herself dressed for school before appearing and asking for breakfast. She can get some parts herself but needs help reaching the odd thing. She's been doing her own hair and teeth for a while (unless she wants pigtails, then I have to do it).

Other mornings we have to practically drag her out of bed and dress her like a toddler! Those mornings I often feel like a broken record chasing her to eat and do her hair whilst she gets distracted by every shiny thing she sees!

TwentyTwentyFive · 12/03/2025 10:49

My son is 5 in reception and has got up and dressed independently every day since he started school in September. He has clothes laid out and will also put toothpaste on the brush and brush his teeth (although we obviously still go over it afterwards). He also gets his bag ready for school the night before and reminds me or his dad in the morning if we've forgotten his water bottle.

I would be expecting both of them to be able to get themselves up, dressed and eating their breakfast without any real input to be honest and would be separating them to do so if I thought the problem was they were mucking about together.

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 10:55

@Tryingtohelp12 I always have the bags packed the night before next to rhe front door, breakfast set, clothes laid out. Literally everything is organised, and I cannot make it any easier for them. They get tons of praise and tons of love. The TV thing for dc1 means I can get dc2 ready and let him get a word in while dc1 gets his smoothie. It is so difficult to sort of separate dc1's ND behaviours that he cannot help from things that he can. The thought of going to school overwhelms him so much, but so does doing anything he does not want to do. Dh took them in this morning, and said his behaviour was terrible on the way to school and that he will get a consequence. He was dragging his feet, stopping and standing on one spot refusing to move. He was telling dh he hates him, and refusing to hold his hand crossing a very busy main road. What kind of consequences work best for a ND child, while safeguarding MH?

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LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 11:07

I'm at my wits end, and now dc1 is chewing his sleeve at school, biting things. He isn't biting people, but more clothes, objects. His class teacher has told him to stop biting his sleeve as he is in year 3, not reception. Every day he'll come out of school and something small will have affected him hugely. Yesterday I took them to the supermarket after school, dc1 to be fair was well behaved and wanted to push the trolley. Dc2 then wanted to do this also, they started fighting over it, to the point 5 year old NT dc2 pulled a second trolley saying he would take that one. They were snatching the trollies, I got down on their level, and told them firmly if they didn't share the one trolley, they wouldn't be going into the supermarket at all. Eventually they did this while still fussing over it. Am I too soft? I worry so much about dc1's MH, and then dc2 is seemingly greedy/spoiled at times, and getting irritated by dc1's looping. I feel like I have well and truly screwed up as a parent.

They are honestly lovely little boys, well behaved at school. The staff love them, and get a lot of compliments. It is these situations where I don't feel that they have any respect for dh, or I, or listen to what we are saying. When I ask them to for their dinner they'll do that pretty much straight away, and are getting their own water now from the tap, so there has been some improvements (which they are always praised for).

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mambojambodothetango · 12/03/2025 11:16

Both DSs have been doing it since day 1 of reception. I told them it was expected and they do it.

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 11:25

mambojambodothetango · 12/03/2025 11:16

Both DSs have been doing it since day 1 of reception. I told them it was expected and they do it.

Are they NT?

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mambojambodothetango · 12/03/2025 11:26

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 11:25

Are they NT?

Yes, as far as I know.

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 11:27

mambojambodothetango · 12/03/2025 11:26

Yes, as far as I know.

That will make a huge difference.

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mambojambodothetango · 12/03/2025 11:29

Maybe you should change the title of your thread if you're only interested in hearing about ND kids? Not a dig - a genuine suggestion.

Waterlilysunset · 12/03/2025 11:29

My 4 yo will go downstairs and get cereal out. He might need help with a bowl or not. I tell him it’s time for uniform and he goes upstairs and gets dressed by himself. Needs help with polo top button. Can brush his own teeth but I double check. Put his own shoes and coat on and then I had him his water bottle he carries that in the car and into school

im training him to do as much as possible by himself as due DC3!!

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 11:30

mambojambodothetango · 12/03/2025 11:29

Maybe you should change the title of your thread if you're only interested in hearing about ND kids? Not a dig - a genuine suggestion.

My youngest is NT, but you're right. I'll ask MN. It was such a stressful morning.

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Namechange09090 · 12/03/2025 11:32

I still struggle with my autistic 16yo DS but think he's taking the piss at this point.

TheAmusedQuail · 12/03/2025 11:35

ND child (7) does best with one word instructions. I literally bark 'SHOES' at him. (Or coat, eat, trousers, bottle etc). If I keep it ultra simple he'll do it. If I do a sentence or try a chat, nope.

I think the ADHD means his brain can't cope with more.

The neighbours must think I'm a harsh mum, but honestly, it works.

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 11:38

Namechange09090 · 12/03/2025 11:32

I still struggle with my autistic 16yo DS but think he's taking the piss at this point.

I'm sorry you're also struggling. Exactly, I feel this way about my 8 year old. I'm struggling to separate manipulate lazy behaviour from the neurodiversity. I try to help him in every way possible. He is capable of doing these things. He gets ready for PE at school now, albeit he takes longer than the other children. Dc2 wasn't a pick of bother and honestly it is like night and day parenting a NT child compared to a ND one. The problem is he is starting to copy with the dependency, when he's naturally a kid that likes to be independent. At 2 he could get himself almost dressed, now apparently he can't like his older brother.

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minnienono · 12/03/2025 11:40

Dd1 needed nagging through 6th form, she has asd. Dd2 would get herself showered, dressed, make her own (gourmet) packed lunch and be eating breakfast before I got downstairs from the daily shouting match trying to persuade her sister to get up---- by the time she was 7/8.

Wakeywake · 12/03/2025 11:45

DS was getting himself ready at some point during reception. Or so I thought, until one day I discovered he would sleep in his uniform to save time in the morning.

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 11:48

minnienono · 12/03/2025 11:40

Dd1 needed nagging through 6th form, she has asd. Dd2 would get herself showered, dressed, make her own (gourmet) packed lunch and be eating breakfast before I got downstairs from the daily shouting match trying to persuade her sister to get up---- by the time she was 7/8.

It is night and day the difference isn't it? May I ask if your dc2 is NT? If so, did she ever copy her older sister with some of the defiant behaviours. This is the part I am finding a bit challenging. I'm thinking that maybe dc2 will realise as he gets older and that he can do more for himself. I feel sorry for them both. Dc1 gets over whelmed at pretty much everything, and then overwhelms everybody else in the process. 5 year old is too little to deal with him looping and talking non-stop to him, and demanding his attention, so I have to remind him to settle down. Sometimes they'll play nicely together if it fits in with dc1's interests; he is very controlling with their games.

I love them both so much and their personalities. I am however finding it challenging to balance two different parenting styles, while making sure they both get equal attention, and carry out tasks they're capable of doing.

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skipdiddyskip · 12/03/2025 11:54

@TheAmusedQuail this is really interesting as this actually works best for my NT dd as well! If I do a full sentence it becomes a topic for debate but if I just say "eat" "teeth" "coat" etc it becomes something she just goes into autopilot and does while continuing to jibber jabber about that morning's topic (this morning it was about cooking gnocchi, as that's what's for dinner). I agree it feels harsh but also very efficient.

Justploddingonandon · 12/03/2025 11:55

Well my NT 12 year old can't use an alarm clock (he either forgets to set it, turns it off and rolls over or sleeps through it) but does the rest by himself. I'd say he needed occasional prompts to avoid getting distracted up until high school.
ASD DD 9 technically can do stuff herself, but gets so anxious and overwhelmed she can't make decisions like what to wear in the morning, and usually needs someone to stand over her and make sure she's actually getting dressed, not just holding her toothbrush etc. I don't think she has ADHD as well as she can focus when she's not anxious or tired.

Livelaughlurgy · 12/03/2025 11:58

I used to have to drag my 8 and 4 year old from bed in the mornings at 7.30, we then have an hour before we leave. All NT. I do breakfast, they do their own teeth and dressing but constant distractions, so I need to keep on top of them the whole time. Thing have gotten much easier in the last month, I've become more militant at bedtime and they're getting an extra hour sleep and the difference is insane.

Toomanyusernamestochoose · 12/03/2025 11:59

NT 6 and 8 year old manage this daily without too much squabbling between them. Helps that they are naturally early risers so alarms are not necessary and usually hungry in the morning so keen to be ready and at the table!

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 12:01

TheAmusedQuail · 12/03/2025 11:35

ND child (7) does best with one word instructions. I literally bark 'SHOES' at him. (Or coat, eat, trousers, bottle etc). If I keep it ultra simple he'll do it. If I do a sentence or try a chat, nope.

I think the ADHD means his brain can't cope with more.

The neighbours must think I'm a harsh mum, but honestly, it works.

This is the thing, even one words aren't working, I'm at a loss. If anything it makes it worse because dc1 will think it sounds more angry, because I have to keep repeating the one word. It does work better on NT 5 year old, but again if he sees older ds not doing it, he will copy.

Dc1 can't differentiate between urgency, and takes it as if I am telling him off, almost like a personal criticism.

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LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 12:08

Toomanyusernamestochoose · 12/03/2025 11:59

NT 6 and 8 year old manage this daily without too much squabbling between them. Helps that they are naturally early risers so alarms are not necessary and usually hungry in the morning so keen to be ready and at the table!

My two don't seem that hungry in the morning, they take ages to eat, and need constant reminders. Maybe they're eating too much the day before, I have no idea! They do great with their lunches, and dinners, and are good eaters, so this isn't the problem. Dc1 is more of an early riser, dc2 later.

Dc2 I think would rather a later breakfast, and takes ages to come around (he doesn't sleep well as he has enlarged tonsils and adenoids) which I expect is adding to the behavioural issues we're having with him. Dc1 is too wound up about going to school, and trying to get computer time to look at multiple pc operating systems (which is his current obsession).
I don't know what to do! I feel really deflated, and any advice would be gratefully appreciated from anybody who has both ND and NT kids, and how ypu balance things.

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