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Supermarket staff wearing a keffiyeh

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Alpaccas · 07/03/2025 22:35

I saw a member of staff wearing a keffiyeh today in Sainsbury’s. Do you think it’s a bit too political for a member of staff to be wearing, whilst wearing their work uniform?

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OuterSpaceCadet · 08/03/2025 10:29

Mine were a gift a long time ago from someone with connections to Palestine.

Sure they can be read as support for Palestine, but FFS that does not mean supporting Hamas or hating Jewish people. I know Jewish people who wear a keffiyeh sometimes.

Yellowshirt · 08/03/2025 10:30

VioletVX · 08/03/2025 01:10

What specifically have we funded?

@VioletVX . Do you want me to ring Keir Starmer and ask him for the exact figure?

Approximately 48000 Palestinians have died though. Are you happy with your taxes going towards these murders?

Xraytime · 08/03/2025 10:32

Rodney from Only fools… wears one during “The Russians are Coming” episode.
I wish I had the confidence to wear one.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 08/03/2025 10:33

Most of the keffiyahs are made in China. Hamas can't even get that right.

PlayingDevilsAdvocateisinteresting · 08/03/2025 10:35

sweetpickle2 · 08/03/2025 06:28

“You cannot tell if it is a man or woman wearing it”- what on earth

If you can only see someone's eyes how can you tell if they are a man or a woman?

Are we now going to deny that any one from the Islamic religion has ever undertaken any terrorist activities on this shore? But, I am not even talking about only those from our Islamic communities, as anyone who wishes to go about nefarious business in broad daylight has no need to wear a stocking over their heads anymore, as the perfect disguise can be worn at any time, and any where, with no-one - but probably particularly the police - daring to question their wearing of a naqab or a burqa. In case I am still not making myself clear enough @sweetpickle2 that is because if they were wearing it legitimately - and the vast majority would almost certainly be doing so - the Muslim woman wearing it could quite rightly complain about racial harassment. So, to emphasise who I am talking about, I am talking about using the face/body covering as a way to disguise themselves, ie. any adult who wishes to hide from the public, which would probably be because they were up to no good. I am not talking about Muslim women who are wearing it in the manner for which it is intended. Although, as I said before, I am worried about whether a Muslim woman wearing it is doing so with complete free will.

HelplessSoul · 08/03/2025 10:35

Alpaccas · 07/03/2025 22:35

I saw a member of staff wearing a keffiyeh today in Sainsbury’s. Do you think it’s a bit too political for a member of staff to be wearing, whilst wearing their work uniform?

Unless you were this staff members manager, WTH does it have to do with you anyway?

Would you show the same bias if someone was wearing a turban?

Or oval glasses perhaps?

You sound racist and have no clue what the origins of the keffiyah are, what it represents or who wears it and why.

And yes, I wear one due to my heritage and give zero hoots about what anyone else thinks.

FKAT · 08/03/2025 10:37

I live on a street with a mosque with a big muslim community and the only people I have ever seen wear a keffiyah are Jeremy Corbyn lookalikes and posh young white women. People can wear what they want and if they were wearing a keffiyah while on duty in a supermarket with a uniform I would just go somewhere else. I don't think you should wear political symbols at work and if you do you should be prepared for customers to take their business elsewhere.

That's why I shop at Tesco for my avocados, bacon and vodka.

Itisbetter · 08/03/2025 10:38

PlayingDevilsAdvocateisinteresting · 08/03/2025 10:35

If you can only see someone's eyes how can you tell if they are a man or a woman?

Are we now going to deny that any one from the Islamic religion has ever undertaken any terrorist activities on this shore? But, I am not even talking about only those from our Islamic communities, as anyone who wishes to go about nefarious business in broad daylight has no need to wear a stocking over their heads anymore, as the perfect disguise can be worn at any time, and any where, with no-one - but probably particularly the police - daring to question their wearing of a naqab or a burqa. In case I am still not making myself clear enough @sweetpickle2 that is because if they were wearing it legitimately - and the vast majority would almost certainly be doing so - the Muslim woman wearing it could quite rightly complain about racial harassment. So, to emphasise who I am talking about, I am talking about using the face/body covering as a way to disguise themselves, ie. any adult who wishes to hide from the public, which would probably be because they were up to no good. I am not talking about Muslim women who are wearing it in the manner for which it is intended. Although, as I said before, I am worried about whether a Muslim woman wearing it is doing so with complete free will.

If you were really “worried” what is stopping you from asking those Muslim women you know who wear coverings? Is it just you don’t actually know any?

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 10:38

Comedycook · 08/03/2025 10:17

They are not behaving in the same way. Israel has not set up a series of death camps, transported millions of Palestinians on cattle trucks and gassed them to death.

I suggest you google the term "holocaust inversion"

I suggest you google the blockade of Gaza. They don’t need to adopt the crude methodology of the Nazis. There is more than one way to wipe out a race of people. l’m perfectly well aware of what holocaust inversion is, and l doubt it was intended to shut down debate, but that seems to be its’ main use.

RubyTuesday48 · 08/03/2025 10:39

would you show the same bias if someone was wearing a turban a turban is a fundamental symbol of the Sikh faith. A keffiyah is not a fundamental symbol of the Muslim faith AFAIK.

FKAT · 08/03/2025 10:43

As a customer you can show whatever bias you like. The Equality Act does not apply to customers - only to providers.

Martymcfly24 · 08/03/2025 10:45

FKAT · 08/03/2025 10:37

I live on a street with a mosque with a big muslim community and the only people I have ever seen wear a keffiyah are Jeremy Corbyn lookalikes and posh young white women. People can wear what they want and if they were wearing a keffiyah while on duty in a supermarket with a uniform I would just go somewhere else. I don't think you should wear political symbols at work and if you do you should be prepared for customers to take their business elsewhere.

That's why I shop at Tesco for my avocados, bacon and vodka.

Ridiculing and stereotyping people for their support of a people being massacred seems to be a common theme.on here.
Anyone who supports the right of the Palestinian people to exist is seen as "rich, lefty, crunchy etc" This is another way to silence the critics.

You would love my staffroom in school it has a big poster with pictures of companies to avoid due to their support of the IDF.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 10:48

AzurePanda · 08/03/2025 10:17

@Lovelysausagedogscrumpy what evidence do I have that suggests the majority of Gazans support Hamas?

For starters the absence of any visible movement akin to those incredibly brave women in Iran. Then of course there’s the mass celebration in the streets as news of October 7 broke, the mass cheering as the raped and broken bodies of female victims were paraded. Then of course there’s the disgusting display as the bodies of the Bibas family were presented. Where’s the significant online opposition to any of this within Gaza? Where’s the uprising?

why do you think Hamas won’t allow democratic elections ? How do you think Gazans are supposed to rise up when Israel has been controlling supplies in and out of the Strip since the 1990s and where are the resources they can utilise ? The oppression of women in Iran is a world away from the oppression of an entire people in Gaza.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 10:50

FKAT · 08/03/2025 10:43

As a customer you can show whatever bias you like. The Equality Act does not apply to customers - only to providers.

The Equality Act absolutely does apply just as much to customers as providers if they are acting in an ableist, sexist or any other discriminatory way.

MiserableMrsMopp · 08/03/2025 10:53

RubyTuesday48 · 08/03/2025 10:25

There are none.The only symbols would be those of the Jewish religion such as a Star of David necklace. Sadly many younger Jews no longer wear one for fear of being attacked. I'm older and therefore invisible so continue to wear mine. A keffiyah is not a religious symbol.

There are lots. Star of David, necklace with the word Chai on it, kippah, symbol of 2 hands, the hamsah, the tallah, the tzitzit, shtreimel.

The difference is, no one is wingeing on about them being worn in public. Go for it. It's fine. Personal expression.

Just like the keffiyah. It's a scarf. Wear it or don't. Kippah. Head covering. Wear it or don't.

28Fluctuations · 08/03/2025 10:56

Martymcfly24 · 08/03/2025 10:45

Ridiculing and stereotyping people for their support of a people being massacred seems to be a common theme.on here.
Anyone who supports the right of the Palestinian people to exist is seen as "rich, lefty, crunchy etc" This is another way to silence the critics.

You would love my staffroom in school it has a big poster with pictures of companies to avoid due to their support of the IDF.

If that was my staffroom, I'd take it down every time it appeared.

You are either:

Accurately reflecting the non-work-related views of every person in your workplace.

Or. Intimidating your colleagues, who may be too scared or sickened to stand up to the intimidation.

MiserableMrsMopp · 08/03/2025 10:56

Itisbetter · 08/03/2025 10:38

If you were really “worried” what is stopping you from asking those Muslim women you know who wear coverings? Is it just you don’t actually know any?

My very lovely muslim friend doesn't wear her head covering because of the abuse hurled at her in public. She is single and wants to wear one. Her family are about 1/2 and 1/2 as to wearing them. Personal choice. BUT laypeople on the street prevent her freedom of choice.

MiserableMrsMopp · 08/03/2025 10:57

28Fluctuations · 08/03/2025 10:56

If that was my staffroom, I'd take it down every time it appeared.

You are either:

Accurately reflecting the non-work-related views of every person in your workplace.

Or. Intimidating your colleagues, who may be too scared or sickened to stand up to the intimidation.

sickened at NOT wanting a whole race of people wiped out? Wow.

MayaPinion · 08/03/2025 10:57

If their employer thinks it’s ok then it’s nothing to do with me. If I don’t like it I go elsewhere.

Martymcfly24 · 08/03/2025 10:58

28Fluctuations · 08/03/2025 10:56

If that was my staffroom, I'd take it down every time it appeared.

You are either:

Accurately reflecting the non-work-related views of every person in your workplace.

Or. Intimidating your colleagues, who may be too scared or sickened to stand up to the intimidation.

Neither.

Everyone is on the same page and it was sent by our union for displaying in the staffroom

RubyTuesday48 · 08/03/2025 10:59

MiserableMrsMopp · 08/03/2025 10:53

There are lots. Star of David, necklace with the word Chai on it, kippah, symbol of 2 hands, the hamsah, the tallah, the tzitzit, shtreimel.

The difference is, no one is wingeing on about them being worn in public. Go for it. It's fine. Personal expression.

Just like the keffiyah. It's a scarf. Wear it or don't. Kippah. Head covering. Wear it or don't.

None of these are 'Israeli' symbols. They are illustrative of the Jewish religion, especially a kippah worn by men just as Sikh men wear a turban. It is rately a case of 'wearing them or don't' if you happen to be a religious person.
A keffiyah is not a religious symbol but a scarf worn in support of Palestinians.

HardenYourHeart · 08/03/2025 11:00

I didn't know what a keffiyeh was and had to look it up. So it's basically a shawl. Since when is wearing a shawl controversial?

28Fluctuations · 08/03/2025 11:00

MiserableMrsMopp · 08/03/2025 10:57

sickened at NOT wanting a whole race of people wiped out? Wow.

Showing support for the slaughter of Jewish civilians. Wow.

See how contentious the issue is?

I want my Jewish colleagues to feel as safe and valued as all others. Thus, I would not want to take a side. At work.

You know notging of my views on tye matter. Cuz I haven't said.

MiserableMrsMopp · 08/03/2025 11:02

RubyTuesday48 · 08/03/2025 10:59

None of these are 'Israeli' symbols. They are illustrative of the Jewish religion, especially a kippah worn by men just as Sikh men wear a turban. It is rately a case of 'wearing them or don't' if you happen to be a religious person.
A keffiyah is not a religious symbol but a scarf worn in support of Palestinians.

My point is, that they are representative of that religion. Which is associated with Israel.

I have zero issues with anyone wearing them. I'm not anti semitic. It's 100% personal choice. As it is with the keffiyah. Live and let live.

RubyTuesday48 · 08/03/2025 11:02

28Fluctuations · 08/03/2025 11:00

Showing support for the slaughter of Jewish civilians. Wow.

See how contentious the issue is?

I want my Jewish colleagues to feel as safe and valued as all others. Thus, I would not want to take a side. At work.

You know notging of my views on tye matter. Cuz I haven't said.

This 100% Thank you 28Fluctuations