‘Game the system’ disability benefits

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WTF
just read a bbc article about welfare reforms

Apparently ministers think that it’s an incentive to claim disability benefits as the incentive is no work commitments on UC. That claimants ‘game the system’

It’s a long process and really hard to get awarded dla or pip. It’s not just ticking a box that says ‘I’m too sick to work’.

AIBU to think this is just horrific

This is all true. Depressing isn’t it.

Yes and some managed but many burned out and ended up signed off sick with breakdowns. Those that managed ok were probably higher functioning than their kids. Also life might have been tougher in some ways but was also simpler. I don't think modern society is geared towards those with Autism and ADHD.

Regarding the rides at theme parks, some might be taking the piss, but not all autistic people are sensory avoidant, some are sensory seekers. And some times the same person might be avoidant of some forms of stimulation, and seeking others. Some hate being touched, others like deep pressure being applied in their bodies etc

I certainly do! I think it's very unfair that you've had the responses you have. Thanks for replying to my original question.

Personally I would retain a route for funding people with extremely severe MH problems such as refractory psychosis (especially given the side effects of treatment), but I don't think MH conditions need to be funded in the way they are now. The money would be better used funding treatment.

@Wildflowers99

If they can’t claim unemployed benefits, then work or rely on family.

He is severely disabled. He won't be able to fucking work. What part of unable to work makes you think he could go to work?

I have reported you for being goady and ableist on this thread.

I don’t think that’s at all fair when you directly asked me and I simply responded.

In practice PIP is overwhelmingly used to pay for everyday costs, because most disabled people are poor. Only a wealthy minority are actually able to use it for their additional costs.

How is that fair when you asked her a direct question?

You can’t just tackle the Autism out of yourself. And it’s not a MH issue. It’s a lifelong disability and some people with Autism will never be independent because their DISABILITY will never allow them to be.

You need to come to terms with that. Clearly.

I know about 10 people who should work but won't work so they play the system. They get massive DLA and own 2 properties. Multiple cars and actually can work if they wanted to. But they rather sit at home and go on holidays and see friends and soclaise.

How is that fair when you asked her a direct question?

It's fair. Being asked a question doesn't mean you can be ableist. Weird that you think otherwise.

Of course you do

You can work and get DLA / PIP

I definitely believe more treatment is needed. I also think disability benefits could be used temporarily for people with moderate severe mental health issues for maybe 2 or 3 years so they could have a course of intense therapy for that time e.g. People with diagnosed like BPD/EUPD and CPTSD/PTSD could have a course of Dialectical Behavioural Therapy for 2 years and time off work to do it (it's very intense). Then once they have stabilised they could be encouraged to find work that could suit them if able.

I do wish mental health services were better funded . More beds needed in psych units of all kinds.

Just because you don't like her opinion, doesn't make it "goady". And she is a disabled woman herself. She is not being "ableist".

@Wildflowers99

I don’t think that’s at all fair when you directly asked me and I simply responded.

You got one thing right there, your response was simple

Out of order to report. They don’t seem goady, just debating with you from a position you don’t agree with. Lots of people will take a different stance to you - are you going to report them
all to MN?

I agree I had a famiky member abroad who had a severe disability and disfigurnent snd they worked very hard all their life to support their family. They made a way. Here there are so many options school is free GCSEs are free. Lots of admin jobs and reception not just manual labour work. So there is really 0 excuse.

How am I being ableist? I’m a disabled woman who thinks (as do the Labour Party!) that the welfare state spending is far too high. I wouldn’t banish it, but it needs slimming down. I was then asked how I would do that so I responded, saying I would reduce some benefits but improve MH support and open autism respite centres for people with very profoundly disabled children. If that’s the threshold for being ableist then nobody is ever allowed to disagree with you are they?

Just because you don't like her opinion, doesn't make it "goady". And she is a disabled woman herself. She is not being "ableist

I wasn't talking about her being goady to me specifically, there are plenty of other posts made that are goady. The reply about my severely disabled child who should work and not lean into MH difficulties was ableist as fuck.

@DaveyTheCavy Yes, I think temporary support during a period of intensive DBT or similar could also be trialled. I would love to see a pilot programme like that. Maybe followed by a structured support programme with mentoring to help people into work? I mean actual good mentoring, not punitive and unkind.

This thread is sickening me, I wish Mumsnet would take it down, but it seems that ableism is the last bastion of unacceptable opinions and hate speech. I write as the adoptive parent of a child who is blind because of her in utero experiences and also diagnosed with foetal alcohol spectrum disorder (you can guess at this if you don't actually know what it is), plus attachment issues (what happens when a baby or child is removed from the birth mother who grew them, regardless of the abuse), as well as autism and ADHD. Oh, and a rare autoimmune disease that requires weekly chemotherapy. My teen is bright (10 GCSEs) but she is unable now at 17 to do the weekend jobs that her peers do / who would employ a blind glass collector or pot washer or waitress? Fortunately, she qualifies for enhanced levels of PIP so she can negotiate life on the same footing as her sighted peers. PIP is essential as she will never have the same level of independence as her peers and nor will she have the rite of passage that is driving lessons or owning her own car. Honestly, not everyone is on the make. It's fucking hard - and expensive- being disabled.

No, you found it upsetting and it made you angry. That doesn't make it ableist. She is disabled. It doesn't harm you or your child for her to hold that opinion.

Isn’t ‘simple’ an ableist insult? I never use it, because it sounds awful.

Yes, we know, most of us are disabled. You don't seem to have read the thread.

Out of order to report. They don’t seem goady, just debating with you from a position you don’t agree with. Lots of people will take a different stance to you - are you going to report them
all to MN?

The goady comments were not in the context of the discussion about my disabled child.

No I don't repeat people who don't agree with me

I repute ableism every time

@richardosmanstrousers Again, just because you don't like a view, doesn't make it ableist.