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To find it disconcerting how easily the orange buffoon has been able to turn so many people on zelensky

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1SillySossij · 05/03/2025 03:16

It is like something from Orwell's pen!

Ukraine started the war!!

As WW2 passes from living memory, the susceptibility to mass brainwashing returns . The cycle continues

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mantaraya · 05/03/2025 03:26

I have been thinking the exact same thing

"The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."

The complete ignorance of 20th century history from the American leadership is also terrifying. Apparently there are reports from those close to him that Trump is not even clear who was on what side during WW2. And it's as if the Cold War has been completely erased from memory.

Notsosure1 · 05/03/2025 03:42

There will always be idiots who believe anything their chosen leader regurgitates at them. They have their unquestioning loyalty. No matter how surreal. Like a genuine Mickey-mouse cult leader.

What’s probably worse is all the ppl who should and do know better. Who are in it for the secondary power and riches aligning themselves to such an individual will bring. They have no morals and it is purely for personal gain. Look at Rudy Giuliani (altho I think he may be unwell, certainly an alcoholic, perhaps to deal with the repressed guilt) - he was a successful (presumably respected) lawyer and celebrated mayor of New York - until he came under the sway of Trump and he sacrificed everything including his own dignity to hop on the bandwagon.

Even Vance likened Trump to HITLER and now he’s dressing the same and is his new master’s guard dog.

It’s frightening when you see ‘intelligent’ ppl swear blue is orange if it aligns with their leaders political agenda - look at the voting ‘fraud’ last time around when the argument was - if it’s against Trump it’s obviously wrong/fraudulent, but if it’s for, then that’s obviously correct and above board. No explanation given, that’s just the way it is.

Terrifying.

XWKD · 05/03/2025 04:24

It's bizarre. Everything the Dear Leader says or does is right. It's like Andrew Tate and Conor McGregor took over the Universe.

LunaNorth · 05/03/2025 04:27

The only light I can see at the end of the tunnel is that he’s really fucking old and a physical wreck.

Hopefully Mother Nature will take her course sooner rather than later. I might start making offerings to trees or something.

Notsosure1 · 05/03/2025 04:37

@LunaNorth Vance will be next.

Also, how come Musk was allowed to ‘disrespect’ the hallowed Oval Office with his casual gear - including baseball hat, no suit in sight in photos I’ve seen - and he brings his young son as a diversion! So what’s the difference with the leader of a country at war attending in military attire? Churchill dressed in similar during WW2 to prove a similar point and apparently Trump respects him 🤷‍♀️

MargaretThursday · 05/03/2025 04:40

You can see the propaganda war on MN as well as other SM. The rubbish written on here mirrors other SM sites, both in content and style of writing so I'm confident that it's a deliberate attempt to influence opinion rather than what people actually think.

The problem is that a lie on SM can stick. So one person reads on MN something like "Trump is orange because he drinks too much Sunny Delight" .
They think at the time of reading "oh, I didn't know that." But then they repeat it "I read somewhere that..."
And gradually it becomes a "known truth" as people pass it on.

And there's no accountability on SM, plus people remember the original lie much easier than the correction or the (deliberately small) apology for getting it wrong. Our MP ran his campaign on that basis, and his advisors were very happy to admit that as long as it got him elected it didn't matter to them.

So challenge lies on SM. Not just here, but elsewhere.

BeDeepKoala · 05/03/2025 04:51

"How dare anyone dislike a man the media has told me is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and Churchill -- they must be brainwashed!"

actual lol

doubleshotcappuccino · 05/03/2025 04:55

Just watched his address - scary to see so many republicans patting him on the back and sycophantic behaviour.. how can they go back to their families with their heads held high .. and Vance .. oh my gosh. Even Melania couldn't whip up any enthusiasm

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