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Konstantin Kristin's take on the Zelensky /Trump press conference

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BusyExpert · 01/03/2025 17:10

Konstantin Kristin who is much more knowledgable about events in Ukraine has posted this on his substack. I repeat it here to see if has any effect on the uninformed hysteria being spouted.He explains far better than I could why Zelensky blew it. His ego got in the way and he failed to put it his country before his own ego which was not, as has been the norm from world leaders, been massaged.

Kristin says
"Before we address the in the Oval Office yesterday, a bunch of disclaimers are sadly necessary. Such are the times we live in.
If you are unfamiliar with my work, when Vladimir Putin’s troops invaded Ukraine in 2022, I went on one of the in Britain to express my shame for what Russia was doing and to call on our leaders to support Volodymyr Zelensky in defence of his country. In the weeks that followed, I gave interview after interview and participated in endless debates about our involvement in Ukraine. On TRIGGERnometry, we raised the best part of $100,000 in two hours for Ukrainian charities. My wife and I have sent supplies, clothing and our own money to friends, family and strangers in Ukraine to help them deal with the brutality of war and Russia’s deliberate targeting of Ukraine’s energy systems. Only last week, I described Trump’s labelling of Zelensky as a “dictator” as “absurd”. I can hardly be accused of being a Putin shill. Indeed, my feelings on the subject are so strong that when I saw a short clip of JD Vance and Donald Trump lambasting Volodymyr Zelensky in front of TV cameras last night, like most people, I assumed that this was yet another example of President Trump strong-arming Ukraine into accepting a rushed and unfavourable ceasefire with Russia. To my embarrassment, I tweeted as much.

Having complained only last week of journalists clipping my words out of context, I fell victim to the same trick myself. When I later watched the full 50-minute press conference, it became clear that President Trump had actually done his best to do a deal, and that it was President Zelensky who scuppered it through an ill-advised spat with JD Vance. This gave the Vice President justification to unleash a barrage of anti-Ukraine MAGA talking points he had clearly been waiting to deploy. As if this wasn’t enough, Zelensky then proceeded to mutter an insult under his breath, interrupt and argue with Trump himself, which led to the deal offer being withdrawn and Zelensky being sent to his room without his supper.

So, why did this happen and how can peace be salvaged? To understand why Zelensky acted the way he did, you have to consider the reality he has been operating in:

For the last 3 years, he has led his country in a heroic defence against a brutal and barbaric invasion. He saw innocent Ukrainian civilians being slaughtered, tortured and raped. He watched missiles and drones rain down on his towns and cities. He welcomed Ukrainian POWs on their return from Russian prisons and torture camps, only to discover they were emaciated, bruised and broken. He has spoken with Ukrainian parents whose childrenhave been stolen and taken to Russia.

During the same time period, he has received in every room he has entered. In Europe, across the political spectrum, Ukraine’s cause is seen as just, righteous and important for our collective safety. Foreign leaders have travelled to Kiev for photo ops with him. He has spoken in every major parliament in the world. Praise and attention have been lavished on him from every direction. At every turn, he has been told “we stand with Ukraine”, “Slava Ukraine” and so on.
This is one of the reasons his negotiating position appears somewhat disconnected from reality. During the press conference he argued that Russia must pay for the war on the basis that in history “whoever starts the war, pays”. What he appears to be missing is that this isn’t remotely true: in history, whoever wins makes the losing side pay. While neither side has defeated the other, Ukraine can hardly claim victory.
For all these reasons, the reality vortex he entered in the Oval Office yesterday would have been a shock. The fact is that MAGA, the dominant force in the world’s leading nation, does not share the European view of President Zelensky. You may agree or disagree, but to the current occupants of the White House, their advisors and their base, President Zelensky - and forgive me for putting this bluntly- is an untrustworthy leader of a corrupt country on the other side of the world who keeps asking for more money America doesn’t have to fight a war they neither care about nor feel he can win. Most of these perceptions stem primarily from domestic American politics and the hatred MAGA has for anyone and anything President Biden touched. Most Americans don’t know where Ukraine is and have no reason to care. To them, this is just another “forever war” like Iraq and Afghanistan.
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In other words, President Zelensky walked into a room in which people who don’t particularly like him, don’t particularly trust him, and don’t particularly care about his “just and righteous cause” were nevertheless prepared to continue giving him money, weapons and political support in order to make this problem go away. All he had to do was look grateful. When you are attempting to convert other people’s good will into hard currency, that is the bare minimum. And for 40 minutes, Zelensky just about managed.

The rationale for the argument he then instigated with JD Vance is not without merit. As I explained in my last video, Zelensky’s primary concern has to be what are known as “security guarantees” - this is a fancy way of saying that Putin is a proven liar who can’t be trusted to stick to any agreement reached. Therefore, the only way to prevent another invasion is through a permanent presence of European or American troops in between Russia and Ukraine. He kept making this point over and over during the press conference and did so diplomatically enough.

But the way he challenged Vance directly in front of the cameras was catastrophically stupid. Sure, if you hate Trump and Vance and think they’re taking part in a Youtube debate, then Zelensky made a valid point. But this was not a debate. They’re all supposed to be on the same side. And the person who has the most to lose from them not feeling like they’re all on the same side is President Zelensky, or, more importantly, his nation. The arguments about security guarantees should have been made with tact, diplomacy, and in private.

To make things worse, he followed this unfortunate error with another, much bigger one. In Europe, Zelensky is used to winning people over to his cause by claiming that Ukraine is all that stands between them and Vladimir Putin. We can argue about whether such claims are true, but the important thing is that in Europe we are much more receptive to this message for both cultural and pragmatic reasons. We are on the same continent as Russia and NATO’s eastern border is now in contact with Russia. This point of contact would have been significantly extended had Ukraine been overrun.

These arguments don’t wash in America and what’s worse, Americans HATE people painting a negative picture of their society’s future. This is why, I believe, President Trump interrupted Zelensky when he claimed that America won’t be protected from Putin by an ocean and shut him down.

None of this is to suggest that Vance or Trump behaved perfectly. But they aren’t the ones asking for more money, weapons, and diplomatic support. Their job is to look generous and find a route to peace. Zelensky’s job is to realise that he stopped being a human being when he became President of a country reliant on foreign aid to survive. He does not have the luxury of righteousness and his country cannot afford to have him lose control of his senses as he did."

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DodoTired · 01/03/2025 22:31

tinageta · 01/03/2025 22:28

Kissin is a Russian. Born in Moscow. A leopard does not change its spots.

That’s racist- plenty of Russians not support Putin and war and some died for it. Just the fact he was born in Moscow doesn’t mean anything

ArtTheClown · 01/03/2025 22:36

Kissin is a Russian. Born in Moscow.

His wife is Ukranian, though.

MyrtleLion · 01/03/2025 22:39

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kattaduck · 01/03/2025 22:44

Dollydaydream100 · 01/03/2025 21:25

Did you watch it all? He stayed calm and therefore seemingly came off "better". He wasn't really polite and respectful though. He went in there to sign a peace treaty and then tried to push it too far (when he really isn't in a position to do so) - Trump was correct when he said Z isn't holding the cards and shouldn't act like it.

He overplayed his hand and lost basically.

I agree that T and V looked like aggressive bullish twats the way they both tag-teamed him, but what they were saying was correct.

People are getting far too emotive about this. Use your heads.

Trump: You’re in no position to dictate what we’re going to feel. We’re going to feel very good.
Zelensky: You are going to feel influenced…

Fact: This is true: The US is already heavily influenced by Rusdian propaganda and has given up on it.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-russia-hacking-cyber-security

Vance: No, in this entire meeting, have you said thank you?
Zelensky: I said thank you—I say thank you to the American people

So Vance is blatantly lying.

Trump: Then you tell us, “I don’t want to cease fire. I don’t want to cease fire.” If you could get a cease-fire right now, I tell you, you take it so the bullets stop flying and your men stop getting killed.

Zelensky: Yes, of course I want to stop the war. But, as I’ve said to you, with guarantees.

So he wants a cease fire but with security guarantees that Trump is not willing to give.
But without those guarantees there is no safety for Ukraine. So of course ha can't take this deal.

I think people should remember he can't give what his country does not support. He is after all a democratic president.

Cutting someone of and yelling and them is disrespectful. Lying about him too. Zelensky was never going to get the deal he needed but to also publicly humiliate him is a step further. Politics isn't about personal sympathy and Vance and Trump made it so.

Als Konstantin Kristin called Rishi Sunak not english because he is a brown Hindu. Sounds right-wing to me and guess who the right wing us supported by? Starts with R. So he is not an unbiased commentator.

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 22:46

DodoTired · 01/03/2025 22:31

That’s racist- plenty of Russians not support Putin and war and some died for it. Just the fact he was born in Moscow doesn’t mean anything

Most right wing Russians support the war though.

DodoTired · 01/03/2025 22:54

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 22:46

Most right wing Russians support the war though.

But to assume that every Russian is right wing and especially every Russian living abroad is right wing and supporting Putin is offensive

FlipFlopsSpots · 01/03/2025 22:58

Hi Trump.

Can you and your crack pot putin supporting buddies please get off Mumsnet.

Thank you.

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 23:17

DodoTired · 01/03/2025 22:54

But to assume that every Russian is right wing and especially every Russian living abroad is right wing and supporting Putin is offensive

No but to assume that Krisin is right wing regarding his views isn't offensive. And to be a little bit wary of Russians giving to ways on Ukraine considering the huge amount of Russian propaganda speak is understandable I think. I mean you even get it here on MN which I wouldn't actually call a political forum.

m00ngirl · 01/03/2025 23:19

Oh god v frustrating OP @BusyExpert that no one is engaging with the substance of your post / what Konstantin actually said (which was sort of interesting, glad you shared it), the thread is basically being used as an outlet for people's opinions on Trump v Zelenskyy... I'm glad you tried though as it (would be) an interesting discussion.

Fwiw I think KK's analysis mostly works if you're only criticising the behaviour of one of the three men in the room (Zelenskyy). There's a lot of fairness and realpolitik in his analysis re Zelenskyy and I suppose the views of the American public. But he doesn't appraise Trump/Vance's behaviour at all which is a glaring omission. Unless the assumption is their behaviour perfectly mirrors American public opinion which I really don't think it does (or that that's precisely their role in a diplomatic press conference; just as, as KK says, it wasn't Zelenskyy's role).

So in terms of striking a deal yes it's fair to say Zelenskyy tripped up. He's also a war leader whose only crime was stating the obvious in the presence of cameras. I think what will go down for the history books though is the live-aired abandonment of diplomacy and democracy from the US president and VP.

OneLemonDog · 01/03/2025 23:27

m00ngirl · 01/03/2025 23:19

Oh god v frustrating OP @BusyExpert that no one is engaging with the substance of your post / what Konstantin actually said (which was sort of interesting, glad you shared it), the thread is basically being used as an outlet for people's opinions on Trump v Zelenskyy... I'm glad you tried though as it (would be) an interesting discussion.

Fwiw I think KK's analysis mostly works if you're only criticising the behaviour of one of the three men in the room (Zelenskyy). There's a lot of fairness and realpolitik in his analysis re Zelenskyy and I suppose the views of the American public. But he doesn't appraise Trump/Vance's behaviour at all which is a glaring omission. Unless the assumption is their behaviour perfectly mirrors American public opinion which I really don't think it does (or that that's precisely their role in a diplomatic press conference; just as, as KK says, it wasn't Zelenskyy's role).

So in terms of striking a deal yes it's fair to say Zelenskyy tripped up. He's also a war leader whose only crime was stating the obvious in the presence of cameras. I think what will go down for the history books though is the live-aired abandonment of diplomacy and democracy from the US president and VP.

I think Kristin's take is predicated on the idea that a Zelenski "win" was possible. I do not believe that it was.

CranfordScones · 01/03/2025 23:33

A long-winded explanation with a false narrative. Here's what really happened:

Two people disagreed heatedly because:

  • one is attempting to behave like a stateman and act in the interests of his country
  • the other is a businessman who sees almost everything in terms of what deals and profits can be made. All other considerations come second.
dothedanceofjoy · 02/03/2025 00:05

It's Kisin, not Kristin. I only skimmed the replies, but I see lots of them repeating this mistake, so presumably these posters aren't familiar with him or his work. He's a very intelligent and perceptive commentator on any subject, and far more honest than anything you'll see on the BBC.

I watched the whole 40 minutes to decide for myself, and honestly, the clips the media have selected for maximum outrage are very deceptive.

Nice to read a more sensible take than the many threads of frothing and crying about "bullying", anyway 🙄

Llttledrummergirl · 02/03/2025 00:30

I've just looked on x as I'd never heard of Konstantin Kristin. It turns out, that's not his name, and looking at the views of the actual person referenced, I'll pass on their viewpoint. On x he thinks putin is great. That says it all. More disinformation..

BunfightBetty · 02/03/2025 00:54

Bloody hell, MN has been awash with Russia propaganda today, but they don’t seem to be able to afford to employ people who can write sufficiently well to successfully pass as Westerners. 4/10.

wholettheturnipsburn · 02/03/2025 01:03

Ponoka7 · 01/03/2025 21:51

You are wasting your time, Zelensky is the new Captain Tom/Clapping for the NHS.

Don't be daft

maddening · 02/03/2025 01:11

DodoTired · 01/03/2025 22:18

he was not there to sign a peace treaty. Peace treaty needs to be with Russia who wasn’t there.
he was to sign the mineral deal. To repay US several times (£500bn)over for the £100bn aid they given (despite the fact that aid was originally provided with no strings attached).

the only reason for him to do this ludicrous deal if the US provided hard guarantees that Putin will not attack again. But US said they wouldn’t.

what is the point for him to sign off the wealth of his nation for literally NOTHING? ZERO guarantees that Putin won’t attack again next year? Remember the war actually started in 2014, there were several peace accords and Russia regrouped and attacked again in 2022.

so there is literally nothing for him to be grateful for to Trump - Trump offered him an absolutely shitty deal

Totally agree - the us are pissed they didn't get the deal at a great price whilst offering Ukraine to putin on a plate

maddening · 02/03/2025 01:13

Llttledrummergirl · 02/03/2025 00:30

I've just looked on x as I'd never heard of Konstantin Kristin. It turns out, that's not his name, and looking at the views of the actual person referenced, I'll pass on their viewpoint. On x he thinks putin is great. That says it all. More disinformation..

Kisin not Kristin are you sure you looked at the right account?

kattaduck · 02/03/2025 01:19

dothedanceofjoy · 02/03/2025 00:05

It's Kisin, not Kristin. I only skimmed the replies, but I see lots of them repeating this mistake, so presumably these posters aren't familiar with him or his work. He's a very intelligent and perceptive commentator on any subject, and far more honest than anything you'll see on the BBC.

I watched the whole 40 minutes to decide for myself, and honestly, the clips the media have selected for maximum outrage are very deceptive.

Nice to read a more sensible take than the many threads of frothing and crying about "bullying", anyway 🙄

He also is a right wing Trump supporters so not exactly unbiased is he?

dontcryformeargentina · 02/03/2025 01:19

tinageta · 01/03/2025 22:28

Kissin is a Russian. Born in Moscow. A leopard does not change its spots.

He is Jewish.

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/03/2025 01:30

The right wing, Russian commentator Konstantin Kristin?

To quote Mandy Rice-Davies, "He would say that wouldn't he?"😆

TempestTost · 02/03/2025 01:57

DodoTired · 01/03/2025 22:25

Why UK needs to care: because we are NATO members and will need to go at war if Russia attacks another NATO member. If Russia succeeds in Ukraine it will absolutely go for Poland and Baltic states which are all NATO members.

so for UK NOT to go to war it has to work with other countries to snare and weaken Russia well ahead of that. That’s why Ukraine took one for the team basically

Ukraine isn't a NATO member though, and that to some extent is part of the problem, Russia was given guarantees that NATO would not expand to it's borders.

By the same token, Ukraine was promised military support by the US, Russia, and the UK in return for disarmament.

There is a theme here which is that a lot of these kinds of power balancing agreements are simply worthless when they cease to be useful to one or more parties. Nations won't, and maybe can't, hold to them against what they think of as their best interest.

So in that sense Zelensky is absolutely right to distrust both the US and Putin will stick to an agreement just because. That's part of what the mineral deal is really about - if it is in the economic and strategic interests of the US to protect those mineral rights, that's a concrete motivator. Would it be enough, I would have doubts in Zelensky's place.

I do think KK's take on this is in many ways realistic though. The fact is that Z has few options, and none of them are great. No one, including the US, wants a hot war with Russia. There is a real chance that could even pull in China, and it's not at all clear that the US or even a united NATO would prevail, and it's difficult to see how that would help the Ukrainians. This is what Trump was getting at about WWIII which I think some don't appreciate. Even those who might think the sacrifice of war would be worth it think again when the possibility of really losing is part of the picture.

He's also right about the fact that the threat of Putin is not the same on the European continent as it is in North America and is not the motivator Zelensky seems to think. And I think too it's the case that many Americans don't value diplomatic language much - they see it as saying the same thing but less honestly. And he is absolutely right about the fact that for many Americans they associate this with Biden and it poisions the well, so to speak.

So was Zelensky wrong in what he thought? No, I don't think so, and I feel very badly for him, he is having to choose between options which are all terrible, and on behalf of others, it must be horrible. But I do think he was unwise in his approach at this meeting if he wanted to achieve his goals. Being right, or sympathetic is irrelevant. That's the curse of leadership in many cases.

Trump in many ways seems to be mainly pragmatic, and I think is more insightful than he sometimes gets credit for. I don't think he actually cares whether people like him or not which is an interesting characteristic in a politician. He reminds me of people I have met who are assholes, seriously unlikable, but are sometimes able to get things done others can't because they don't care about being a prick.

I've been more surprised by Vance, really. I think I understand somewhat his thinking on domestic issues, but his rhetoric internationally isn't what I'd expect.

TempestTost · 02/03/2025 02:00

kattaduck · 02/03/2025 01:19

He also is a right wing Trump supporters so not exactly unbiased is he?

I mean - no one is unbiased. DO you think the views of lefty Biden supporters are invalid because they are lefty Biden supporters?

If you have followed him at all he has been a huge supporter of Ukraine and extremely critical of Russia.

Like many Russians who have left Russia, he is not a fan of Putin or the political regime there.

JHound · 02/03/2025 02:02

Is this the “comedian”?

What makes him knowledgeable about Ukraine? Being from Russia?

JHound · 02/03/2025 02:03

Yes it is the guy I am thinking of. He’s an “anti-woke” loon.

And no more knowledgable of Ukraine than anybody commenting here.

JHound · 02/03/2025 02:07

ArtTheClown · 01/03/2025 22:36

Kissin is a Russian. Born in Moscow.

His wife is Ukranian, though.

And?