AIBU to not want to go to war

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It's expensive and it hurts and it helps nothing, it just puts innocent sons, brothers, fathers, uncles and friends through the meat grinder. The only people who benefit are those who make a fortune from selling weapons and are granted contracts for reconstruction.

Haven't we learnt anything? What happened to "never again".

AIBU to really really really not want to be involved in any war?

@Wildflowers99 so you are convinced we'll back Ukraine even without US security?

With full combat if necessary?

If it reaches full combat the US will have no choice but to join. Imagine the nightmare for them if Russia invades most of Europe. Do you think they would let that happen?

@Wildflowers99 that's not really answering, you seem to be saying Europe have pledged full support so they'll have to step in without US backing. Is that what you believe?

Yes.

I think it’s clear this administration don’t want to get drawn into war with Russia and want minimal involvement in European affairs.

It doesn’t matter. If Russia managed to invade half of Europe, the States would have to get involved - not out of duty or honour, but because they can’t sit back and let their main (only?) true ally conglomerate into one huge enemy which would inevitably end up richer and more powerful than them.

Seems perfectly clear to me. But then I’m not trying to deny it’s a real thing to justify my belief that Russian speaking Ukrainians are really Russian anyway and don’t mind being invaded.

Good point!

Nope. I didn’t talk about nations. Cultures have always existed. And inclusivity doesn’t mean ignoring those differences, but rather being accepting (or if you like, inclusive…) of them.

This is also true. Alongside a cultural identity everyone has their own individual identity shaped by their individual experiences. It’s complementary to their cultural identity, not totally divorced from it.

As someone who has been there, I would not want to go to war again. However for the OP I would to ensure that they live in a country where they can post the things they have and not live in fear of being hunted down and imprisoned, if we stand up for nothing then we are nothing. Peace is always the best way but there always comes a point where you have to stand up and be counted.

Definitely don’t agree that a Ukrainian speaking Russian are really Russian and don’t mind the invasion.
My Ukrainian friend speaks Russian as well as Ukrainian but is 100% Ukrainian and totally against the Russian invasion.
Im from Belgium and speak Flemish, French and English. I’ve not lived in Belgium since I was five years old but will never be anything than 100% Belgian.

Which aligns with my original point on this. Language isn’t everything when it comes to culture. Sometimes not even the main thing.

Exactly. I haven't lived in the Netherlands for 28 years and speak English 99.9% of the time. But I will always be Dutch.

Right?! Fecking Zelenskyy speaks Russian as a first language fgs 😆🤦🏻

That's not actually the case. The UK and Europe have been in discussions for some time on what security would like in Ukraine once the war was over. They don't need the US and discussions haven't involved them.

@C152 where are you reading that?

Just now in the commons -

Sir Keir told the Commons: “We must strengthen our relationship with America…the United States are and always will be indispensable.”
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The Prime Minister said the past week shows “with total clarity” the US is “vital” in securing peace in Ukraine.

Literally everyone has acknowledged that peace keeping troops would be ineffectual and completely unsuitable for Ukraine because of the ongoing threat presented by Russia.

No deal where Russia says "no troops" will be accepted. Apply some common sense.

@C152 catch up on the commons what you're saying is at odds with what's being said about US being required still

I'm reading that in European newspapers and the Associated Press, which I have posted multiple links to in this and the multiple other ridiculous posts of this nature.

The Prime Minister is, quite clearly, kissing arse. Just as he was when he made a show of handing Trump an invitation to meet the King. I've got to say, I've never once longed for a Hugh Grant character to spring to life before, but I agree with another poster on one of these threads who said they wish the PM would be more like the PM in Love Actually and tell the US where to stick it.

"I love that word "relationship". Covers all manner of sins, doesn't it? I fear that this has become a bad relationship. A relationship based on the President taking exactly what he wants and casually ignoring all those things that really matter to, erm... Britain...And a friend who bullies us is no longer a friend. And since bullies only respond to strength, from now onward, I will be prepared to be much stronger."

Trump wants an apology, he says Zelenskymdoesnt want peace, nothing to do with him. fucking idiot. How long are we expected to put up with him and his behaviour.

We (as in Brits) have no choice but to 'put up with' Trump's behaviour as we don't have a say in American elections or decisions. Americans OTOH have another 4 years before they can vote him out.

It’s in our self-interest to maintain good relations with the US.

They’re not a friend, they’re an ally. It’s the equivalent of being diplomatic with a boss or a colleague.

If we mouthed off and cut ties with every leader who was a twat we would not survive very long, because we are interdependent with other countries in the world. And in the case of the US, more like dependent.