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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

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DP says I am......................

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Kimi · 11/05/2008 09:24

Ok I know its early in the morning and a sunny day but please AIBU?
DP does re-enacting (this means he dresses up as a German and marches round in the mud, (I wont even get started on what I find wrong with that) any way he has brough a very old camera to go with his dress up stuff and decided to put a digital camera inside it so it will take photos, now this is where I am being Unreasonable according to him..... He wanted to use my camera, this meant dismantleing it I said NO.
He said that
1 it is old
2 it is not very good
3 he would replace it with a new and better one

I still did not want him to take it apart but after much pleading I gave in for some peace and quite, so he took it apart, got a shock off of it then found it was too big so put it back together again, but still says I was unreasonable not to want him to do it in the first place.

We shall put it to the good ladies of mumsnet to say who was and was not.....

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Lulumama · 11/05/2008 15:22

no, pan it does not appease me as it is too close to home so see it as 'fun' or educational.. not forgetting the nazis also sought to exterminate, homosexuals, nazis, the disabled , gypsys and everone they saw as imperfect. it is not just about being anti semitic, but about the out and out hatred for so many. glorification of the nazi era and its accoutrements repulses me. but that is just my opinion

mrsruffallo · 11/05/2008 15:30

I think it's a strange hobby, but that doesn't mean (in my eyes) that he is necessarily a nazi sympathiser.
He is obviously getting something out of it.
It's alright to take the mickey, but I think real offence being taken is a bit ott.
Also, I think it is important for youngsters to be educated about the past, and if this is a way that engages them then surely that's a good thing?

suedonim · 11/05/2008 15:44

I think the reenactment stuff is a bit weird, partly because there are people still alive who suffered so dreadfully under the Nazis.

Lulumama · 11/05/2008 15:51

well, we shall have to disagree on this, as i do find it persoanlly offensive.. buying nazi memoribila offends me, as it is glorifying and putting value on nazism. does not make that person a nazi or a sympathiser per se, but makes them dubious in my eyes. there are many more ways to educate and engage imo. but that is my personal feeling

Veraduckworthshandbag · 11/05/2008 15:52

I know it may be in bad taste and a strange hobby to some, but it does have educational value.
It did happen and the Nazis were evil and yes some people need to be taught that you are not just born knowing it, we could gloss over all bits of history we find upsetting, anyone think the slave trade was over rated and history books would be nicer without that little hiccup in them, or maybe we should in years to come forget the twin towers and the war that followed.

It is history and these people are not really raping, killing and sending people to the gas huts.

They put on silly clothes and sit in a field FFS

As for the camera, if it still works then no problem

suedonim · 11/05/2008 16:02

So how does wearing silly clothes and sitting in fields educate anyone?

dittany · 11/05/2008 16:07

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Veraduckworthshandbag · 11/05/2008 16:09

Because othersilly prople go to watch!!!!
Also if they go to schools to do living history that is educating is it not.

You can go to gamestation and buy war games to blow people to bits with and kids play them and see war as a game, if real people are showing how bad war is that has to be a good thing, no?

Todays kids see violance on TV in games on the street, war on the news and it is becoming so everyday that people especially the young ones need to be told how bad it was.

A book does not convay this

Lulumama · 11/05/2008 16:11

or that it is ok to dress up and pretend to be one and buy the memorabilia... it just does not sit well with me

suedonim · 11/05/2008 16:20

Maybe living history in this case would be better served by having survivors talk to children about their experiences.

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Kimi · 11/05/2008 16:29

I am told alot of WW2 vets do go along and give talks and so on, and pointers on this and that.

Lulu my children have jewish history and as DS1 has SN the Nazis would have expermented on him and killed him. My Family lost people in the war (and I lost a half brother the first time we went to get the oil for the USA)

I don't ever want any of it to be glossed over.
DP is not trying to play war nor make it seem fun.
I just don't like it and I don't like the rubbish he buys (alot of it if reproduction) sadly some of it is the real thing.

But DP is a really lovely man and not at all one to think the Nazi's were anything but evil (also as he has red hair they would have "cleansed" him away too)

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justabouthappy · 11/05/2008 16:37

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Kimi · 11/05/2008 18:53

Give me strenth, now he is watching a dirty rusty old spanner on eBay for the barguin price of £10

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Greyriverside · 11/05/2008 19:31

Get him to get you a nice modern camera and ignore all that about his hobby.

I suspect that people who claim all germans in their armed forces were evil nazis is some kind of 'ism.

I hope the people saying that realise that our soldiers killed people too. It's what they are paid for and considered patriotic when we do it.

mrsruffallo · 12/05/2008 12:31

Oh come off it grey.
Our soldiers enlisteed to stop the spread of nazism, not for the pay.
I am sure not all fighting german soldiers were out and out nazis but seeing as they were fighting for them they must have some sympathy.

TheDevilWearsPrimark · 12/05/2008 12:34

I'm not sure everyone fighting for germany was a Nazi. Sometimes we have little choice.

My mothers friend has a husband and son in their second term in Iraq and they both despise the fact they are involved in this war.
But it is what they signed up for.

TinkerbellesMum · 12/05/2008 13:30

"But it is what they signed up for."

Most of our guys in WWII didn't have that luxury, but at least they were fighting for the good. On the other hand, most of Germany's side was against it. I've heard some amazing stories of "the enemy" sabotaging Germany's efforts - often why there are a lot of bombs still being found. One Ally plane took on a bomb and expected to go down. When it didn't explode they tried to defuse it, when they opened the bomb they found it empty with a note in the language of the country they were over saying "This may be all we can do". The factory workers were putting empty shells through when the Germans weren't looking.

Sorry, OT, I'm going to read the thread now.

Pan · 12/05/2008 18:05

no, lulumama, I didn't think the reasons given would satisfy you, nor should they. Many folks have that visceral reaction to emblems and images, and I don't think anyone should try to 'reason it away' for you. [I had a reaction to the Cross of St. George though for differing reasons ].

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