To wish Starmer would make a unilateral decision to rejoin the EU?

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That’s all, really. Yes it would be ‘undemocratic’ but should we sacrifice national interest on the altar of a vote from 10 years ago that everyone seems to regret?

We feel adrift during a scary time, and the US has all but ghosted us.

In fact what swung it for me was after the unimaginable atrocity at the bataclan theater in Paris with used guns from eastern Europe.

The German paper said the warnings about refurbish guns sat on some burocratic desk in the eu bemoth for years never acted on. Que bataclan when that threat became reality.

Step two the french prime minister stood shaking repeating... Our borders are closed our borders are closed by which point 1) too late you have no boarders and 2) they had already fled back to Belgium.

Utterly disgusting

Exactly this. My life, and that of everyone I know is no different due to leaving the EU. It's no better or worse for leaving the EU. But the UK as a whole is £350 million a week better off, and we can make our own decisions on things without consulting the EU, and no longer have to be pushed around by them.

The reasons for the cost of living crisis, and high interest rates, and other economic factors et al (in the UK) is down to the pandemic, (and that has affected the whole world.) The economic state of the UK is very little to do with us leaving the EU.

I can see most people don’t agree with me, but this is how I feel.

You don't believe in democracy?

Think it through, OP, using all the arguments you've been given here. You can 'feel' all you like that an undemocratic attempt to return to a union that may not even want us, two weeks into a new world order, is a good idea but I'd keep it to yourself if you have any sense because you're going to look very foolish if you persist.

How do you honestly think it will help? Genuinely curious.

I'm know you are not getting the answers you wanted on this thread, but I am actually quite thrilled with this thread. Most people seem to have come to their senses at last, and realised that leaving the EU was indeed a good idea! (And there is no WAY we are going back - ever.)

The responses on a thread like this would have been quite different even just 3 years ago, and probably 67% YANBU, (not 67% YABU.) It's taken a while but most people have now realised (thankfully) that we did indeed have the correct result in the EU referendum.

Hopefully he is learning that his job is to do what majority of the population want. The party politics game of doing the opposite of each other is why so little changes.

@BatchCookBabe this thread is in its infancy and I'm sure the eu lovers will be on soon when they get over trump love in with starmer.

😆

Can you imagine rejoining and FOM restarts? We are already knee deep in a severe housing crisis, the nhs is already collapsing slowly it would be the final straw. People
just do not consider the implications and consequences in any detail.

His job is to keep the population safe and to deliver on his party's manifesto commitments. People got the chance to say what they wanted on 4 July.

I would certainly welcome another referendum.

I would give anything to return to the EU but YABU because democracy. If you need a referendum to leave, you need one to rejoin.

Some of the anti EU comments above are laughable - I don't even rise to the bait anymore. But both UK and the EU were stronger together and that is absolutely evident with the new regime in the USA.

EU lover here - did you watch Macron and Trump? Also a love-in - it's basic diplomacy. I am not sure why you think we have anything to get over. No-one was expecting Starmer to go over and publicly humiliate Trump - we don't live in Love Actually.

Well if you get another referendum, I want to have a referendum on the outcome of it. 😀

Chickoletta · Today 21:24
I would certainly welcome another referendum.

If there was one in the next few weeks, which way do you think it would go?

Yes, YABVU. The vote was remain or leave; rightly or wrongly, leave won.

As I understand it, people don't 'regret it'; what they regret is voting for something that 'those in charge' have made a pig's ear of actioning.

‘Keep it to myself’? 😂😂

Ah bit of a nostalgic thread, not seen any bitching about Eastern Europeans for nearly 10 years now! You've all been so preoccupied with Muslims since Brexit.

Did all the Eastern Europeans go home or did you realize that you weren't actually kicking out the brown people with Brexit?

No, OP I wouldn't support that. Brexit means Brexit or some nonsense.

You have to give the people what they want or they'll want something worse. And it will look like that pint swilling frog face of a fuckheadFarage.

I actually think if it was possible an overwhelming amount of people would vote for Trump in this country.

The world is going to shit and I've chosen a terrible time to give up drinking.

What the actual fuck did I just read? This deeply unpopular government are already shitting on us enough without going back on a democratic vote. What is wrong with people to ask such ridiculous questions?

anyway we’re not right-wing enough for Europe sweetcheeks. The authoritarian left love to be told what to fucking do by the “government”. I put that in inverted commas as we appear to have a bunch of student union politics debating society types who’ve never had a proper fucking job or run a business, god help us all.

Absolutely not! As others have said we live in a democracy. Just because he's PM at the moment (hopefully not for long) he does not get an unchallenged want without serious negotiation and public support (which he personally is unlikely to get) I and most people I know voted leave and absolutely would do again, I know a few that voted remain and most of them haven't noticed any difference since we have left.

But then what?
Best out of three? Best out of five?
How far do we take this?

Get over it. Remain lost.

(FWIW I voted remain, I wouldn't do so again though)

Yep, 6 whole weeks since the last remoaner.

How did you personally benefit from being a member of the eu?
Did you buy any products like holidays from a eu based company not based in the uk?
Did you go on holiday for more than 90 days/work.abroad (yes if you were wealthy)?
Did you get to legally watch eu countries broadcasts of English football?
Did British companies easily expand into Europe?

The above will all be a no.

Did the uk.pay more per capita that every other country.?
Was British beef banned for many years without justification?
Were British wages suppressed for years because of a completely elastic supply of Labour?
Is Germany struggling financially because of the eu?
Are billions wasted every 6 months moving it's hq, just to keep the French happy?
Did the common agricultural policy distort farming and food prices to the extent that good food was thrown away for decades and now farmers are paid not to farm?

The above will be a yes.

But let's not revisit the referendum. Let's wait and see what happens to the eu over the next 12months as currently it is not serving the member countries or their citizens.