Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To wish Starmer would make a unilateral decision to rejoin the EU?

308 replies

Wildflowers99 · 27/02/2025 18:59

That’s all, really. Yes it would be ‘undemocratic’ but should we sacrifice national interest on the altar of a vote from 10 years ago that everyone seems to regret?

We feel adrift during a scary time, and the US has all but ghosted us.

OP posts:
Marmiteenthusiast · 27/02/2025 20:12

Nope. I'd much rather Starmer have some backbone and resign, though. Wish we could vote on it - he'd be out like a shot.

WilfredsPies · 27/02/2025 20:12

Theunamedcat · 27/02/2025 19:50

They don't want or need us back in

We won't get favorable conditions if we rejoin we will be worse off than we were before

It's pointless

Completely agree. Can you imagine what we’d have to agree to before they’d even consider it? We might as well just shut down parliament and hand over the keys to the front door. They’d make such an example of us to stop any other country who was thinking about it.

SpottedDonkey · 27/02/2025 20:13

Unfortunately, the problem is that for Labour Brexit was the ultimate political wedge issue. It divided their supporters in two. Hundreds of Labour MPs represent seats outside the M25 which voted Leave in 2016, many of them by wide margins. Including senior cabinet ministers like Rachel Reeves in Leeds. And Angela Rayner in Manchester. And Yvette Cooper in West Yorkshire.

GreekDogRescue · 27/02/2025 20:17

You want a dictatorship OP

PandorasJam · 27/02/2025 20:25

Co-operating with like-minded NATO countries is the key to security. Forget the EU which is too divided.

TheNoonBell · 27/02/2025 20:26

Would they really want the Brexit party back in the EU parliament? They were joint largest party by MEP's before we left.

BatchCookBabe · 27/02/2025 20:28

Wildflowers99 · 27/02/2025 18:59

That’s all, really. Yes it would be ‘undemocratic’ but should we sacrifice national interest on the altar of a vote from 10 years ago that everyone seems to regret?

We feel adrift during a scary time, and the US has all but ghosted us.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad to see that two thirds of posters think YABVU.

Bet you didn't see that coming @Wildflowers99 !!! And not everyone regrets it dear. 🙄

Why would we wanna go back into that boys club that controlled everything we did and took £350 million a week off us (whilst the vast majority of the other countries - around 2 dozen - paid in fuck all, but just took out?!)

Madness. Best thing we did leaving that corrupt organisation!

HhalloNine · 27/02/2025 20:28

Marmiteenthusiast · 27/02/2025 20:12

Nope. I'd much rather Starmer have some backbone and resign, though. Wish we could vote on it - he'd be out like a shot.

He really wouldn't and anyway who is going to do better?

Potsofpetals · 27/02/2025 20:29

We would need a referendum. Conditions of rejoining would be even more tied than before. It would be a bigger no vote than last time I’m afraid.

LavenderBlue19 · 27/02/2025 20:30

He can't but I wish he could. We will go back in eventually, it would be madness not to. What a hugely costly, obvious mistake was made. Fucked the country for a generation.

TheNoonBell · 27/02/2025 20:31

LavenderBlue19 · 27/02/2025 20:30

He can't but I wish he could. We will go back in eventually, it would be madness not to. What a hugely costly, obvious mistake was made. Fucked the country for a generation.

I think you will find it was the response to COVID that really did us in.

Potsofpetals · 27/02/2025 20:33

Starmers doing ok this week to be honest.

He cares more about power than his principals so for example cutting foreign aid to pay for defence is playing nicely into reform voters hands.

TheFirstTimeEverISawYourFace · 27/02/2025 20:33

Antsinmypantsneedtodance · 27/02/2025 19:08

YABU I don't know anyone who voted leave who regrets the decision. I'd expect full scale riots if he even attempted anything of the like. He and his party are hugely disliked, especially amongst the sterotype population who voted leave. Making that kind of decision would be disaster.

America may have ghosted us because of our current goverment who have been fairly obvious in their opinions of the new American President.

Edited

Trump is loving Kier today!

LavenderBlue19 · 27/02/2025 20:34

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 27/02/2025 20:35

BlondiePortz · 27/02/2025 19:44

I am still trying to work out how the leavers think it is better now

I'm sure Leavers are as well.

Plenty insisting they don't regret it, not one able to provide a coherent reason why.

LavenderBlue19 · 27/02/2025 20:36

TheNoonBell · 27/02/2025 20:31

I think you will find it was the response to COVID that really did us in.

Most Western countries had some form of lockdown, many stricter than ours. Most also had some kind of furlough.

We are fucked because of Brexit.

Biscuitsnotcookies · 27/02/2025 20:37

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Oh don’t start that again. The personal attacks are a reflection of you not pp, she is entitled to express her opinion. As it turns out things are changing at such a pace in Europe and outside, and the US is a genuine ally. Or maybe you have simply forgotten history my friend.

Abhannmor · 27/02/2025 20:39

The Tories took Britain into the EEC in 1973. No Referendum til Labour held one in 75. I remember being against membership. Well Ted Heath and Harold Wilson were right and I was wrong. Good job it wasn't up to me!
Sometimes you need strong leadership. Harder now though with news 24/7 and Twitter et al. Every pub bore has his own personal TV station now alas.

Rooroobear · 27/02/2025 20:41

He absolutely should not!! Not one person I know who voted leave regret it. This country would become more of a shambles than it already is if he just decided to rejoin.

ParmaVioletts · 27/02/2025 20:43

Omg no!!

The tides out right now and the eu is stark bollock naked!!

Who wants to be part of it??

The one big thing starmer has going for him right now is not being part of Europe meeting Trump!!

Europe has no teeth and it's eccomically weak
It can't defend itself.

LavenderBlue19 · 27/02/2025 20:43

Biscuitsnotcookies · 27/02/2025 20:37

Oh don’t start that again. The personal attacks are a reflection of you not pp, she is entitled to express her opinion. As it turns out things are changing at such a pace in Europe and outside, and the US is a genuine ally. Or maybe you have simply forgotten history my friend.

The US are favouring Putin. Putin is trying to destabilise Europe by pouring vast amounts of money into social media propaganda blaming immigrants for people's problems and pushing conservatism. He's been at it since before Brexit, and it's why racism and misogyny are now commonplace, and the far-right are gaining voters.

That doesn't look like an ally to me. I think it's you who is forgetting history... it's all feeling a bit 1930s right now.

MaggieMistletoe · 27/02/2025 20:43

I didn't vote to leave and was quite horrified at the time but my eyes have been opened to the corruption of the EU a bit since then and now I am more on the fence about whether its such a terrible thing, long-term, that we've left. Only time will tell. I certainly wouldn't be longing for a dictatorship as the OP seems to be. A dictatorship headed by our current gov is the stuff of dystopian nightmares.

ParmaVioletts · 27/02/2025 20:47

Lavender unfortunately no renainer has ever said anything of worth about being part of the eu only complain about airport queues and sandwiches.

Nothing about the black hole of corruption, the self serving massive eu gravy train human trafficking, in efficient systems, making decree with no way of backing them up. Forcing countries together who are a million miles away in culture and ideas. Utter miserable disaster. Oh but yes.... We have to wait in an airport queue (I havant)

BatchCookBabe · 27/02/2025 20:49

ParmaVioletts · 27/02/2025 20:47

Lavender unfortunately no renainer has ever said anything of worth about being part of the eu only complain about airport queues and sandwiches.

Nothing about the black hole of corruption, the self serving massive eu gravy train human trafficking, in efficient systems, making decree with no way of backing them up. Forcing countries together who are a million miles away in culture and ideas. Utter miserable disaster. Oh but yes.... We have to wait in an airport queue (I havant)

100% this. ^

BatchCookBabe · 27/02/2025 20:50

MaggieMistletoe · 27/02/2025 20:43

I didn't vote to leave and was quite horrified at the time but my eyes have been opened to the corruption of the EU a bit since then and now I am more on the fence about whether its such a terrible thing, long-term, that we've left. Only time will tell. I certainly wouldn't be longing for a dictatorship as the OP seems to be. A dictatorship headed by our current gov is the stuff of dystopian nightmares.

Yep, EU are absolutely corrupt.

Swipe left for the next trending thread