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To wish Starmer would make a unilateral decision to rejoin the EU?

308 replies

Wildflowers99 · 27/02/2025 18:59

That’s all, really. Yes it would be ‘undemocratic’ but should we sacrifice national interest on the altar of a vote from 10 years ago that everyone seems to regret?

We feel adrift during a scary time, and the US has all but ghosted us.

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Clavinova · 01/03/2025 17:33

The title in your link says how do Britons feel about Brexit five-years on but the data tables say 'Adults in GB' - clearly the respondents are not all Britons. How do we know whether 5% of respondents are not entitled to vote in a UK referendum?

JHound · 01/03/2025 17:34

No he absolutely should not. People who want to live in an autocratic dictatorship should move to one.

Clavinova · 01/03/2025 17:36

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 17:14

There is, supported by polling agencies. Many available online. Average believing it was a mistake is around 55 %.

Can EU citizens in the UK sign up to these polling agencies?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/03/2025 17:36

Clavinova · 01/03/2025 17:33

The title in your link says how do Britons feel about Brexit five-years on but the data tables say 'Adults in GB' - clearly the respondents are not all Britons. How do we know whether 5% of respondents are not entitled to vote in a UK referendum?

One in six Leave voters (18%) now say that it was wrong for Britain to choose to leave the EU, although 66% still say Britain made the right decision. By contrast, just 7% of Remainers now think it was right for the UK to leave, compared to 88% who still think a vote for Brexit was wrong.

Additionally, among the youngest Britons, who were unable to vote in the 2016 referendum, there is little belief that the referendum went the right way. Three-quarters of 18-24 year olds (75%) say that Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EU, against just one in ten (10%) who say the UK made the right choice.

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 17:39

Clavinova · Today 17:36

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 17:14
There is, supported by polling agencies. Many available online. Average believing it was a mistake is around 55 %.

Can EU citizens in the UK sign up to these polling agencies?

No idea. Sure it’s easy enough to find out if you’re interested.

Does one sign up to polling agencies? The only times we have contributed to polls over the years, the agencies have contacted us.

Clavinova · 01/03/2025 17:49

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/03/2025 17:36

One in six Leave voters (18%) now say that it was wrong for Britain to choose to leave the EU, although 66% still say Britain made the right decision. By contrast, just 7% of Remainers now think it was right for the UK to leave, compared to 88% who still think a vote for Brexit was wrong.

Additionally, among the youngest Britons, who were unable to vote in the 2016 referendum, there is little belief that the referendum went the right way. Three-quarters of 18-24 year olds (75%) say that Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EU, against just one in ten (10%) who say the UK made the right choice.

Interesting though that 'If there was a referendum now on whether the UK should or should not join the European Union' - 'only' 80% of 2016 remain voters would vote in favour of joining the EU and 17% of leave voters. Also, 5% of remain voters would support further loosening of ties with the EU than we have now.

Clavinova · 01/03/2025 17:51

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 17:39

Clavinova · Today 17:36

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 17:14
There is, supported by polling agencies. Many available online. Average believing it was a mistake is around 55 %.

Can EU citizens in the UK sign up to these polling agencies?

No idea. Sure it’s easy enough to find out if you’re interested.

Does one sign up to polling agencies? The only times we have contributed to polls over the years, the agencies have contacted us.

Actually I did sign up to YouGov some months ago to check - they didn't ask for my nationality/citizenship. I didn't take it any further than the initial sign-up.

dottiehens · 01/03/2025 17:55

Like if the EU is gaging to have the UK back. Typical sense of entitlement and superiority of the British people.

bombastix · 01/03/2025 17:58

Neither side wants it. And politically you can see that the security of the UK is probably better off. I don't think the EU is set up to handle pro Russia governments

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/03/2025 18:10

Clavinova · 01/03/2025 17:49

Interesting though that 'If there was a referendum now on whether the UK should or should not join the European Union' - 'only' 80% of 2016 remain voters would vote in favour of joining the EU and 17% of leave voters. Also, 5% of remain voters would support further loosening of ties with the EU than we have now.

That's entirely hypothetical since we'll never be allowed to rejoin.

But it's also easily explained by the fact that we'd never get back in on the same terms we had before. We had literally the best deal of any country in the EU and yet Brexiters wouldn't stop moaning (ironically).

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 18:13

Clavinova
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Actually I did sign up to YouGov some months ago to check - they didn't ask for my nationality/citizenship. I didn't take it any further than the initial sign-up.

So why ask me if you already knew? 😁

I can’t imagine many EU citizens care enough about the UK’s status to bother doing that.

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 18:16

That's entirely hypothetical since we'll never be allowed to rejoin.

I’m not so sure that’s case now, MissScarletInTheBallroom, with the weird new world order. Our armed services and nuclear deterrent would be a strong reason for the European nation’s voting in favour.

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 18:31

Clavinova · 01/03/2025 17:51

Actually I did sign up to YouGov some months ago to check - they didn't ask for my nationality/citizenship. I didn't take it any further than the initial sign-up.

They do ask for it if it's relevant to the survey.

If you don't believe in the polling numbers( which are corroborate by several agencies) why not post opposing sources instead of "my friends think so".

@Biscuitsnotcookies
I have seen you post misinformation like the 350 bn dollar lie on several threads. Can't help to wonder what you're intentions are.

HoppityBun · 01/03/2025 18:36

a. We live in a parliamentary democracy, as the Supreme Court had to remind Boris Johnson
b. We don’t “just rejoin” the Eu, it takes years of negotiations
c. Why would they have us back?
d. We are seeing in the US what a disaster Presidential government is. We don’t want that here
e. The divisions caused by Brexit have not healed, attempting to rejoin without public agreement would cause interminable rifts and prove Vance/Trump right that people aren’t being listened to

I could list many more reasons

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 18:37

kattaduck

Biscuitsnotcookies
I have seen you post misinformation like the 350 bn dollar lie on several threads. Can't help to wonder what you're intentions are

It was the use of “fake” and “EU think tanks” in respect of perfectly legitimate UK polling agencies that told me what this poster is all about.

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 18:39

Indeed, @HoppityBun. So, let’s have another referendum and let democracy take its course.

Kendodd · 01/03/2025 18:45

Clavinova · 01/03/2025 17:49

Interesting though that 'If there was a referendum now on whether the UK should or should not join the European Union' - 'only' 80% of 2016 remain voters would vote in favour of joining the EU and 17% of leave voters. Also, 5% of remain voters would support further loosening of ties with the EU than we have now.

I wonder if people not wanting to rejoin the EU think even a ruined economy, striping away of rights and opportunities and becoming an international laughing stock is better than listening to the whinging of Leave voters?
Oh, Leavers haven't even shut up whinging though, you'd think they'd all be too busy enjoying their sunlit uplands to continue moaning and lying about Brexit.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/03/2025 18:49

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 18:39

Indeed, @HoppityBun. So, let’s have another referendum and let democracy take its course.

The problem is that the UK could vote yes and the EU could vote no.

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 18:49

I really do believe that in many cases that it’s a pride thing, Kendodd.

No one likes to admit that they fell for all of the reprehensible lies and nasty rhetoric.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/03/2025 18:50

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 18:16

That's entirely hypothetical since we'll never be allowed to rejoin.

I’m not so sure that’s case now, MissScarletInTheBallroom, with the weird new world order. Our armed services and nuclear deterrent would be a strong reason for the European nation’s voting in favour.

Yes, but it would need a unanimous yes from the EU27, including referendums in several of those countries. It wouldn't necessarily be heads of state or national parliaments or Brussels bureaucrats who got the casting vote. It could be voters in rural France.

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2025 18:50

It would be foolish in the extreme to even contemplate a second referendum before ascertaining that the EU would accept the UK back.

Clavinova · 01/03/2025 18:52

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 18:13

Clavinova
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Actually I did sign up to YouGov some months ago to check - they didn't ask for my nationality/citizenship. I didn't take it any further than the initial sign-up.

So why ask me if you already knew? 😁

I can’t imagine many EU citizens care enough about the UK’s status to bother doing that.

I wasn't suggesting they signed up for any particular set of questions.

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 18:57

BIossomtoes · Today 18:50

It would be foolish in the extreme to even contemplate a second referendum before ascertaining that the EU would accept the UK back

With the new world order, I think admitting the UK, with its armed services and nuclear deterrent, is a far more attractive proposition to the EU than it was 6 months ago (when I would have agreed with you entirely).
Ascertaining a yes or no would not be difficult. Times are changing and things need to move fast to keep up with those shifts.

Clavinova · 01/03/2025 18:59

kattaduck
They do ask for it if it's relevant to the survey

Do EU citizens in the UK not have an opinion on whether it was right or wrong to leave the EU?

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2025 18:59

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/03/2025 18:57

BIossomtoes · Today 18:50

It would be foolish in the extreme to even contemplate a second referendum before ascertaining that the EU would accept the UK back

With the new world order, I think admitting the UK, with its armed services and nuclear deterrent, is a far more attractive proposition to the EU than it was 6 months ago (when I would have agreed with you entirely).
Ascertaining a yes or no would not be difficult. Times are changing and things need to move fast to keep up with those shifts.

I completely agree with you. The world’s changed more and faster in the last few months than in the rest of my seven decade lifetime.