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AITA for refusing to have a relationship with the man who made my childhood hell?

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Surelyitisntjustme · 23/02/2025 16:39

Please read to the end as I feel context is necessary here.

My mum recently stopped speaking to me and my sister, after sending us both a message saying "would it have KILLED you both to wish your stepdad a happy birthday? I am very pissed off with you both and so disappointed". My sister made some remarks about it not being at the top of her priority list and I basically said "you asked me to be civil with him many years ago which I have been, but I won't pretend to have a relationship with him and I'm annoyed that you expect that I would". She then replied with "I give up", left the group chat she has had with us both for years and a week later still has not spoken to either of us since. She's currently away on a 3 month holiday with her husband and due to return soon and we don't know what to expect, if she intends on discussing this any further or not speaking to us at all (my sister is getting married this year and she's supposed to be giving her away).

CONTEXT

My sister and I have never had a good relationship with the man. My other family members don't like him much and they don't even know half of the real reasons we don't like him.

These reasons range from things such as telling us as kids that our real dad didn't care about us (not true) after we all moved overseas for this man's job and left behind the rest of the family and life we'd always known. He would buy branded foods for him and my mum, keeping them in a special "adults cupboard" that we weren't allowed in, leaving the more basic/cheaper things for us.

I was a bit of a rebel as a teenager (nothing outrageous) but a punishment for sneaking out to meet friends was for him to board my bedroom windows shut, remove the door from its hinges, give me one single outfit, a "uniform" to wear for a month, ground me, make me sweep dirt in the garden, remove all of my cosmetics, appliances etc.

When I got my first job, there was a really bad storm and no public transport where we live, so my mum asked him to give me a lift (5 mins drive, I would usually walk it). He refused to let me out of the car until I paid him £20 as he said that's what a taxi would have cost.

All of the above may sound simply like strict parenting and nothing too outrageous to some. But it goes on....

When I was grounded and no door on my bedroom, at 14 year old I once woke to him sitting on the end of my bed in the middle of the night. When I opened my eyes he RAN out of the room. I felt physically sick and scared of what his intentions were as I woke up thinking someone was touching me. It was only a few days after he removed my bedroom door. When I finally got the courage to tell my mum about this (after spending weeks sleeping fully clothed after it happened) she just said she would talk to him. The result was I was allowed to move into the annexe outside, despite asking many times before if I could and being told no. My mum then said she spoke to him and he said he was "chasing the cat out of my room"....a room without a door that a cat would just wander back into anyway. There was no attempt made from him to discuss this with me, no conversation ever took place after until I raised it with my mum again years later as an adult.

I'm addition to this, not long before this incident happened, we had a cleaner. She left our house, telling my mum she was scared for her daughter's because she found a camera in the bathroom. This was laughed off by my mum and stepdad and became a running family joke that the "crazy maid" obviously must have thought the black shampoo bottle top looked like a camera.

But then years later, when I was an adult and had finally moved away, my sister tells me she finds her video camera that had gone missing, in their room. She looks on it and there are video clips where he filmed the neighbour through her window getting undressed. It was a series of clips over a few months. It was him filming because his voice can be heard. When my sister told my mum she was devastated and drove with my sister a number of hours to come and stay with me. We thought this was the realisation she needed, but she ended up getting back with him less than 2 weeks later and my sister and I have kept this incident secret from the rest of our family for my mum's sake, which seems ridiculous now.

That being said all of this happened around 10 years ago. There have been arguments over the years, none for a long time, but they have always resulted in us basically saying we will never like him, her playing the victim (which she is in many ways) and us feeling guilty and having to keep the peace. He has spent Christmases with us, I have had him in my home, cooked meals for him etc much to my displeasure.

I had my first child 2 years ago and went through counselling because I refuse to let these feelings be something that affects him one day. Part of that has made me realise it isn't my job to protect my mum's feelings at my own expense, so I am trying to not fall into the same trap again. She constantly refers to her husband as my child's grandad, which I hate, but I haven't said anything about it yet. I am very very close to my grandparents and I don't feel he comes even close to deserving this title.

I've never really spoken to other people about this and I'm keen to hear outsider views. Was I unreasonable to not wish him happy birthday via text when they are away on the other side of the world, considering I wouldn't usually contact him on his birthday anyway? Is it unreasonable of me to let her stay silent and not reach out to try and resolve this? How would you approach this when she returns if either she a) confronts is and wants to continue the debate or b) acts like it never happened?

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RoastDinnerSmellsNice · 23/02/2025 16:47

I don't think you're being at all unreasonable OP, quite honestly, after finding proof of him filming the neighbour, on top of the fact that he was clearly in your bedroom for nefarious reasons, (I'm convinced of this by the fact that you were suddenly allowed to sleep in the annexe), I would be having nothing further to do with the creep. I would tell your DM, that you've had enough of cow towing to this man, and in future will not have him in my home, or see my DM if he's there. However, that's just my reaction, you may feel it's too hard on your DM, but she clearly knows that she's married to a pervert, and continues to put up with him, you don't have to!

TruJay · 23/02/2025 17:07

I wouldn’t be having a single thing to do with the creep and if that meant losing contact with my mum so be it, as sad as that is. She didn’t exactly stand up for or protect you from him did she? She believed him over you and you had to leave the main house as a result? Madness!

He certainly wouldn’t be allowed into my home while I cooked him meals and he wouldn’t be anywhere near any children of mine, that’s for damn sure. You can’t let any children near him in any capacity and I’d be wary of letting any children spend time with your mum too, especially unsupervised. Grandad my arse! No way would he be being referred to as that.

YANBU op and not wishing him happy birthday is the least of the problems here.
He should have been reported for filming the neighbour too! I’d still dob him in for that now and add on the secret filming of yourself and being in your room too. Who is to say he doesn’t have a bloody record of past abuse and is one of those perverts that it all comes out about later. He could have been up to all sorts. It only takes one person to come forward to give others the courage to do so too.

AnyFucker · 23/02/2025 17:15

Your mother made her choice a long time ago

Consequences

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 17:31

Your mother is extremely lucky either of you have any relationship with her whatsoever.

It appears she has chosen the money over protecting her children and doing the right thing on repeated occasions.

(I'm guessing there's a reasonable amount of it due to the maid, the annexe, the three month holidays etc.).

She is a woman of little integrity.

She has chosen to stay with a sex offender. (And we don't know what would have happened to you if you'd been a less communicative and switched on young person).
You were moved out of the main house because she couldn't trust him not to try something again and she probably didn't want inconvenient facts about his behaviour being relayed to other family members, teachers, social services etc.

I would not ever let them have unsupervised access to your kids. I would make it very clear to your kids that he is a step grand parent.

Tbh I'd go low to no contact with your Mum.

When you choose money and security and self interest over your kids welfare, that's what you deserve.

tsmainsqueeze · 23/02/2025 17:34

This fall out is all on your mothers shoulders ,she knew she was / is married to a pervert but chose to put him before the safety of her 2 daughters .
Neither of them deserve anything from you and your sister , he is disgusting but i feel more anger towards any mother who chooses a man over her children.
He wouldn't be allowed anywhere near my children either , perhaps use this experience to ditch him for good from your lives, sadly probably your mother included.

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 17:36

She looks on it and there are video clips where he filmed the neighbour through her window getting undressed. It was a series of clips over a few months. It was him filming because his voice can be heard. When my sister told my mum she was devastated and drove with my sister a number of hours to come and stay with me. We thought this was the realisation she needed, but she ended up getting back with him less than 2 weeks later

It's hardly surprising that she lets him commit a type of sex offence against other women and doesn't shop him and sticks by him, given that she didn't properly protect her own daughter's against him

Honestly, you wonder how the fuck some women hang out with and be intimate with and do couply things with men who they know are sex offenders. Creeps.

I guess the money and advantages to them motivated them to be in denial.

Ankhmo · 23/02/2025 17:36

Simple question...
.why the fuck would you give a shit that she isn't speaking to you?

Tell her to go fuck herself. She doesn't deserve a relationship with you after putting her partner before her children I've rnad over and over again.

You are not on her priority list and never have been, she shouldn't be anywhere near yours.

In fact, I'd be fucking brutal..
"The next time I see you, I hope you're in a wooden box, fuck you."

But... I'm an arsehole..

Daleksatemyshed · 23/02/2025 17:37

Your DM has pushed this all to the back of her mind but the fact she let you move out of your bedroom shows she at least had an inkling of the truth Op. She's telling herself nothing really happened so you should all play happy families now but you remember the truth. I'm afraid she's still in denial, every time you avoid him it brings it back up for her and it makes her angry. You either cut them both off or tell her exactly why you still want nothing to do with him.
I'm sorry Op but she made her choice a long time ago

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 17:41

You were moved out of the main house because she couldn't trust him not to try something again and she probably didn't want inconvenient facts about his behaviour being relayed to other family members, teachers, social services etc

Sorry, just to add ..this was one reason - but also it was so she could stay in denial and tell herself that the cat story was true.
If he was caught/you relayed him doing similar again, she couldn't have continued in denial.as easily ..and she didn't want that. So you were moved out to vastly minimise the chance of him trying something again and her having to face up to it.

Weak, immoral, selfish woman. ..bad mother.

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 17:45

I also say thd above because she let him abuse you;

The response to you sneaking out once with friends was abusive.

It was her job to temper that extremity or end the marriage.... She didn't.

The food thing ...to me, a two tier system like that in a household is a type of abuse.

The demand for money for one lift in a storm ..abusive

He treated you two like inconveniences/botherations/second class citizens , and later it looks like he treated you like a target for sexual exploitation. It was all obvious. And she went along with it.

Why should you participate in her denial/delusion?

outerspacepotato · 23/02/2025 17:48

Your stepfather was predatory and wildly abusive and your mother enabled it all.

Fuck him and his birthday and your mom who is still married to him after that. She picked dick over her kids so she can live with that choice.

I'd be no contact with those assholes.

My mom was sure not a good one but at least she dumped the guy who assaulted me.

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 17:49

my sister and I have kept this incident secret from the rest of our family for my mum's sake, which seems ridiculous now.

I'd tell them.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

They don't even know this and they dislike him so it sounds like they may well believe it.

You'll probably be cut out of the will though lol.

JellyBabiesSaveLives · 23/02/2025 17:52

Keep this man away from your child. If your mum can't cope with that, that's your mum's choice. But you're a mum now and you need to put your child first. Do what your mum should have done for you.

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 17:53

sending us both a message saying "would it have KILLED you both to wish your stepdad a happy birthday? I am very pissed off with you both and so disappointed"

She has some fucking neck on her,.

One would wonder if she has a personality disorder.

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 17:56

I am very pissed off with you both and so disappointed

"Not as pissed off and disappointed as we are with you for staying with a sex offender ..... And that's not even getting on to our childhood".

Covering it up to everyone for her has done nothing other than entrench her firmly in her self serving delusion. So much so she feels entitled to scold you two for not being caring towards him.
She actually self righteous! Just lol at the irony.

Stop enabling the horrible bag.

(Sorry I know she's your mother, but. ..).

Surelyitisntjustme · 23/02/2025 18:00

JellyBabiesSaveLives · 23/02/2025 17:52

Keep this man away from your child. If your mum can't cope with that, that's your mum's choice. But you're a mum now and you need to put your child first. Do what your mum should have done for you.

100%. I have never ever allowed contact with him unsupervised and I limit any contact at all as much as possible. Thankfully they are away a lot so it hasnt't been much of an issue. But video calls to them with her telling my child "oh look here's grandad!" absolutely fill me with rage.

When I went through counselling the advice I got was to let it go for now as my son was too young to understand and I can raise him to call him whatever I want. But he does understand now and has started repeating "grandad". Obviously I don't want to mess him up in all this so I haven't corrected him as I don't want him to feel he has done something wrong or bad by saying it.

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MzHz · 23/02/2025 18:03

Agree with the sentiment, but I suggest to @Surelyitisntjustme that silence speaks volumes.

the mother “gives up”? Grand. Crack on. Both sisters have gone above and beyond and had him in their homes, when they were not save in his.

@Surelyitisntjustme let her go. Actions. Consequences.

if you have to say something, be clear. “Mum, your husband is a pervert, he made our childhoods hell, you enabled it and backed him. As you still are. I couldn’t give a fuck about his happiness, his birthday or anything, don’t ever ask anything of us again when it comes to him.”

Surelyitisntjustme · 23/02/2025 18:04

JellyBabiesSaveLives · 23/02/2025 17:52

Keep this man away from your child. If your mum can't cope with that, that's your mum's choice. But you're a mum now and you need to put your child first. Do what your mum should have done for you.

That is 100% what I am doing, my child comes before everything and anyone and I think this latest episode will be the turning point needed, just not sure how it will play out.

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theallotmentqueen · 23/02/2025 18:05

It's so horrible that your mother was complicit in your abuse from this awful man. Honestly, I really suggest going low or no contact in this case, as she clearly has no remorse for her vile actions. She literally continued to stay with the man who tried to sexually abuse you - there's no coming back from that. I'm so sorry about this.

Surelyitisntjustme · 23/02/2025 18:10

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 17:49

my sister and I have kept this incident secret from the rest of our family for my mum's sake, which seems ridiculous now.

I'd tell them.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

They don't even know this and they dislike him so it sounds like they may well believe it.

You'll probably be cut out of the will though lol.

I've often thought this. But if I'm honest, my grandparents (mums side) are in their 80s. We are so close, they feel more like parents to me than my parents. I feel if they knew everything we went through it would devastate them, so I haven't told them as a way of protecting their feelings more than my mum's. They have stuck up for us and fallen out with my mum in the past over his treatment of us when it was just the odd raised voice they witnessed. So they would never have stood for any of it and I wouldn't want them to blame themselves for not stepping in to help when we were living in a foreign country and they had no way of knowing.

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Surelyitisntjustme · 23/02/2025 18:15

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 17:49

my sister and I have kept this incident secret from the rest of our family for my mum's sake, which seems ridiculous now.

I'd tell them.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

They don't even know this and they dislike him so it sounds like they may well believe it.

You'll probably be cut out of the will though lol.

Should have mentioned that one thing this kind of upbringing taught me was to be incredibly self sufficient, so I honestly couldn't give a shit if I'm in her will or not anyway 🤣

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Maxorias · 23/02/2025 18:17

Dear lord. I have three children, if any of them told me anything like this it would be the end of my relationship with my partner. I'm sorry your mom didn't do what she should have.

OP I wouldn't reach out to her. If she never calls you, well, so be it. If she does I'd tell her I never want anything to do with her husband ever again, she can see you on her own, or not at all.

I know it's hard. When I went lc with my own mother I cried for a week straight. It felt like a bereavement. But after those first days I felt infinitely better, and now that contact is picking up again I feel better able to call her out on the unacceptable things.

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 18:17

Surelyitisntjustme · 23/02/2025 18:10

I've often thought this. But if I'm honest, my grandparents (mums side) are in their 80s. We are so close, they feel more like parents to me than my parents. I feel if they knew everything we went through it would devastate them, so I haven't told them as a way of protecting their feelings more than my mum's. They have stuck up for us and fallen out with my mum in the past over his treatment of us when it was just the odd raised voice they witnessed. So they would never have stood for any of it and I wouldn't want them to blame themselves for not stepping in to help when we were living in a foreign country and they had no way of knowing.

Sorry I meant about the video recordings of the neighbour. And the previous incident of the camera the maid left due to (and subsequent gas lighting about her).

Surelyitisntjustme · 23/02/2025 18:23

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 18:17

Sorry I meant about the video recordings of the neighbour. And the previous incident of the camera the maid left due to (and subsequent gas lighting about her).

That's true, one way of them knowing more of the truth without them feeling any guilt towards us. Something worth considering if things get too ugly.

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Cerialkiller · 23/02/2025 18:25

StrawberryDream24 · 23/02/2025 17:49

my sister and I have kept this incident secret from the rest of our family for my mum's sake, which seems ridiculous now.

I'd tell them.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

They don't even know this and they dislike him so it sounds like they may well believe it.

You'll probably be cut out of the will though lol.

This. Why keep his shameful secret. Why keep your mum's shameful secret. It isn't your shame. Why are you protecting them?