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AITA for refusing to have a relationship with the man who made my childhood hell?

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Surelyitisntjustme · 23/02/2025 16:39

Please read to the end as I feel context is necessary here.

My mum recently stopped speaking to me and my sister, after sending us both a message saying "would it have KILLED you both to wish your stepdad a happy birthday? I am very pissed off with you both and so disappointed". My sister made some remarks about it not being at the top of her priority list and I basically said "you asked me to be civil with him many years ago which I have been, but I won't pretend to have a relationship with him and I'm annoyed that you expect that I would". She then replied with "I give up", left the group chat she has had with us both for years and a week later still has not spoken to either of us since. She's currently away on a 3 month holiday with her husband and due to return soon and we don't know what to expect, if she intends on discussing this any further or not speaking to us at all (my sister is getting married this year and she's supposed to be giving her away).

CONTEXT

My sister and I have never had a good relationship with the man. My other family members don't like him much and they don't even know half of the real reasons we don't like him.

These reasons range from things such as telling us as kids that our real dad didn't care about us (not true) after we all moved overseas for this man's job and left behind the rest of the family and life we'd always known. He would buy branded foods for him and my mum, keeping them in a special "adults cupboard" that we weren't allowed in, leaving the more basic/cheaper things for us.

I was a bit of a rebel as a teenager (nothing outrageous) but a punishment for sneaking out to meet friends was for him to board my bedroom windows shut, remove the door from its hinges, give me one single outfit, a "uniform" to wear for a month, ground me, make me sweep dirt in the garden, remove all of my cosmetics, appliances etc.

When I got my first job, there was a really bad storm and no public transport where we live, so my mum asked him to give me a lift (5 mins drive, I would usually walk it). He refused to let me out of the car until I paid him £20 as he said that's what a taxi would have cost.

All of the above may sound simply like strict parenting and nothing too outrageous to some. But it goes on....

When I was grounded and no door on my bedroom, at 14 year old I once woke to him sitting on the end of my bed in the middle of the night. When I opened my eyes he RAN out of the room. I felt physically sick and scared of what his intentions were as I woke up thinking someone was touching me. It was only a few days after he removed my bedroom door. When I finally got the courage to tell my mum about this (after spending weeks sleeping fully clothed after it happened) she just said she would talk to him. The result was I was allowed to move into the annexe outside, despite asking many times before if I could and being told no. My mum then said she spoke to him and he said he was "chasing the cat out of my room"....a room without a door that a cat would just wander back into anyway. There was no attempt made from him to discuss this with me, no conversation ever took place after until I raised it with my mum again years later as an adult.

I'm addition to this, not long before this incident happened, we had a cleaner. She left our house, telling my mum she was scared for her daughter's because she found a camera in the bathroom. This was laughed off by my mum and stepdad and became a running family joke that the "crazy maid" obviously must have thought the black shampoo bottle top looked like a camera.

But then years later, when I was an adult and had finally moved away, my sister tells me she finds her video camera that had gone missing, in their room. She looks on it and there are video clips where he filmed the neighbour through her window getting undressed. It was a series of clips over a few months. It was him filming because his voice can be heard. When my sister told my mum she was devastated and drove with my sister a number of hours to come and stay with me. We thought this was the realisation she needed, but she ended up getting back with him less than 2 weeks later and my sister and I have kept this incident secret from the rest of our family for my mum's sake, which seems ridiculous now.

That being said all of this happened around 10 years ago. There have been arguments over the years, none for a long time, but they have always resulted in us basically saying we will never like him, her playing the victim (which she is in many ways) and us feeling guilty and having to keep the peace. He has spent Christmases with us, I have had him in my home, cooked meals for him etc much to my displeasure.

I had my first child 2 years ago and went through counselling because I refuse to let these feelings be something that affects him one day. Part of that has made me realise it isn't my job to protect my mum's feelings at my own expense, so I am trying to not fall into the same trap again. She constantly refers to her husband as my child's grandad, which I hate, but I haven't said anything about it yet. I am very very close to my grandparents and I don't feel he comes even close to deserving this title.

I've never really spoken to other people about this and I'm keen to hear outsider views. Was I unreasonable to not wish him happy birthday via text when they are away on the other side of the world, considering I wouldn't usually contact him on his birthday anyway? Is it unreasonable of me to let her stay silent and not reach out to try and resolve this? How would you approach this when she returns if either she a) confronts is and wants to continue the debate or b) acts like it never happened?

OP posts:
beachcitygirl · 24/02/2025 02:22

I think you are remarkable and restrained and decent but it's time (past time) for
Extremely strict boundaries.
You and your kids etc nowhere near this guy ever or your mum
Without your presence (she will undoubtedly allow him
Access)

If your mum
Can't deal
With these reasonable rules. Go NC with zero regrets.
Sending love & strength

StrawberryDream24 · 25/02/2025 09:55

For some women this is very much a calculated decision because ultimately what they get from the relationship (often financial security or social status) outweighs the downsides - even when those downsides impact their own children to a serious degree.

100%.

It's hard- because women are so much more commonly victims of DV/domestic abuse ....but we can't actually let that obscure that some women absolutely prioritise their wants and "needs" above their kids, and their own integrity.

There are sadly hundreds of thousands of women out there who have failed to prevent and, when it came out, failed to leave eg child sex abusers. It doesn't suit them to (financially, status-wise, being single & having to find a new partner,people knowing that they partnered a CSA etc ), so they don't, and they construct a delusion to cover why not. They involve the entire family in the delusion. The delusion often wins over reality . .with the abuse victim ostracised and the abuser not.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 25/02/2025 12:27

I think too many people on here over simplify the capacity to go no contact. We have a complex mix of problems when it's your own mother. I mean I should have but it's really not workable for me.
Instead I have NC with abusive sibling and set boundaries ( with difficulty of course) with mother.

The reason I recommend Dr Ramani is she helps support those where a straight off NC is not feasible.

I feel OP is only just coming through the fog. There's no way, at this foggy stage, can someone just see truth and reality and cut someone off.

Surelyitisntjustme · 25/02/2025 20:36

Wishyouwerehere50 · 25/02/2025 12:27

I think too many people on here over simplify the capacity to go no contact. We have a complex mix of problems when it's your own mother. I mean I should have but it's really not workable for me.
Instead I have NC with abusive sibling and set boundaries ( with difficulty of course) with mother.

The reason I recommend Dr Ramani is she helps support those where a straight off NC is not feasible.

I feel OP is only just coming through the fog. There's no way, at this foggy stage, can someone just see truth and reality and cut someone off.

This is exactly right and thank you for acknowledging it. I do appreciate everyone's comments and have honestly been overwhelmed by the response. I really did expect a more even split of people agreeing with me and people saying "she is still your mother, you should let it go" etc, so to hear so many people seem shocked by her actions gives me some reassurance that I'm not being unreasonable.

That being said the idea of going completely NC also seems like a huge, almost unimaginable step to take, but I can completely understand why others are saying it and if I was removed from the situation, I'd probably advise others in the same way. It almost feels like it isn't real, it isn't my reality but I know that it is.

OP posts:
Maddy70 · 25/02/2025 21:01

Moving abroad for a new life isn't awful
Keeping some of his special branded foods while kids have unbranded is fine. You
were fed and healthy kids eat so much. I kept a load of "budget" snacks for mine too. I wanted a nice treat but I wasn't having that 200000 X a day like my children were

You were sneaking out at night, a risk to yourself. He protected you, made you do chores and sanctioned you for your poor behaviour as any parent would however some are stricter than others

I always had to pay my dad petrol money too ... I always thought that was weird but he was doing to it demonstrate how much petrol and time costs but iseens like he was using this as a power trio with you (unless you were working and then fair enough!)

The camera stuff yes absolutely. That's what to get upset about and rightly so but you're getting parenting mixed up with sexual predatory.
you do not need to have a relationship with him at all. But ..your mum has sided with him throughout she's unlikely to change now but do be aware you could lose her. It sounds as if she's in a toxic relationship and she doesn't know how to handle this either

Surelyitisntjustme · 25/02/2025 21:07

Maddy70 · 25/02/2025 21:01

Moving abroad for a new life isn't awful
Keeping some of his special branded foods while kids have unbranded is fine. You
were fed and healthy kids eat so much. I kept a load of "budget" snacks for mine too. I wanted a nice treat but I wasn't having that 200000 X a day like my children were

You were sneaking out at night, a risk to yourself. He protected you, made you do chores and sanctioned you for your poor behaviour as any parent would however some are stricter than others

I always had to pay my dad petrol money too ... I always thought that was weird but he was doing to it demonstrate how much petrol and time costs but iseens like he was using this as a power trio with you (unless you were working and then fair enough!)

The camera stuff yes absolutely. That's what to get upset about and rightly so but you're getting parenting mixed up with sexual predatory.
you do not need to have a relationship with him at all. But ..your mum has sided with him throughout she's unlikely to change now but do be aware you could lose her. It sounds as if she's in a toxic relationship and she doesn't know how to handle this either

Sorry to clarify I never said moving abroad was awful, I mentioned it to provide clarity regarding me being away geographically from my biological father. The other stuff I did actually say that some may see this as strict parenting and that's fair enough.

OP posts:
thepariscrimefiles · 25/02/2025 21:20

Your step-dad should be in prison. He is a controlling, perverted, abusive arsehole. Your mum isn't much better. Your childhood with him sounds utterly horrific.

You need to put your foot down and absolutely refuse to let your mum refer to him as your son's grandad.

thepariscrimefiles · 25/02/2025 21:30

Maddy70 · 25/02/2025 21:01

Moving abroad for a new life isn't awful
Keeping some of his special branded foods while kids have unbranded is fine. You
were fed and healthy kids eat so much. I kept a load of "budget" snacks for mine too. I wanted a nice treat but I wasn't having that 200000 X a day like my children were

You were sneaking out at night, a risk to yourself. He protected you, made you do chores and sanctioned you for your poor behaviour as any parent would however some are stricter than others

I always had to pay my dad petrol money too ... I always thought that was weird but he was doing to it demonstrate how much petrol and time costs but iseens like he was using this as a power trio with you (unless you were working and then fair enough!)

The camera stuff yes absolutely. That's what to get upset about and rightly so but you're getting parenting mixed up with sexual predatory.
you do not need to have a relationship with him at all. But ..your mum has sided with him throughout she's unlikely to change now but do be aware you could lose her. It sounds as if she's in a toxic relationship and she doesn't know how to handle this either

So you think that the following is a suitable punishment for sneaking out at night:

'I was a bit of a rebel as a teenager (nothing outrageous) but a punishment for sneaking out to meet friends was for him to board my bedroom windows shut, remove the door from its hinges, give me one single outfit, a "uniform" to wear for a month, ground me, make me sweep dirt in the garden, remove all of my cosmetics, appliances etc.'

He wasn't protecting her. He was abusing her. She had to move into an annexe as he was coming into her room at night. There's some repellent victim blaming in your post.

Mayflyoff · 25/02/2025 21:40

All of the above may sound simply like strict parenting and nothing too outrageous to some. But it goes on....

No, it doesn't sound like strict parenting, it sounds abusive. I hope you recognise that, if you don't then you probably need more counselling.

StrawberryDream24 · 25/02/2025 21:48

@Maddy70

You missed out a few teeny tiny things there.

You also missed the point completely..

"The camera stuff"..... The criminal offence/sex offence, you mean.

Atrocious post.

Don't give advice on forums please, you're terrible at it.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 25/02/2025 22:02

@Maddy70 OP is definitely part of, and has always been part of a very toxic and dysfunctional family dynamic. Coercive and abusive is the correct term for the dynamic she had no choice but being in.

OP coming here and questioning as she is is a very common part of the beginning of realisation as to how bloody bad this probably was. There will be more to remember, to try accept and this is almost formulaic how it unfolds for those able and willing to go down the path of not turning into an abuser but learning and growing from abuse.

OP, I feel going NC is not going to be achievable right now. You are already starting to care for yourself with the expression of your own needs and self care. You've expressed your first boundary with no card and standing by that and the suggestions we give regards no further explanations will just help re enforce that. You just need make it clear that you are not comfortable with a relationship with him. That's all. It isn't cruel. It's very considerate. And I'd wait until mum gets in touch because it would be wrong for you to do so. She knows what he is. She knows what she is. This is fact. She needs you to stay in your role doing what she wants and taking the blame for everyone else and that's the only reason for her tantrum.

I think your mum needs you in her life so this tantrum may end soon. But the boundaries are so important. She will learn if she wants you in her life. But first she'll throw tantrums like this in response to the shift in you.

Firm, unapologetic boundaries alone will make you feel better as you will have some control and are looking after that person in you who wasn't looked after properly. In time you will feel very good about doing this.

Third-parties like siblings are often shit stirrers, will be used by your mum, bitching,lying etc. So you have to treat them with some distance unless you know they don't behave in the same way as your mum and feel they can be trusted. It's unlikely they can be.

Even being as aware as I am to all this, even I can still bitch and shit stir about my sibling to my mum. I broke my own rules and boundaries but it's very limited so I still feel good that I'm much further ahead and aware what I am part of. I usually don't bring them up and it's off limits as I have gone NC with the sibling. I'm in a toxic triangle of shit with some other peripheral bell ends. I live this stuff. 🤦😆

Idontjetwashthefucker · 25/02/2025 22:04

Fucking hell @Maddy70 just when I think you can't get any worse, you go and prove me wrong. I can't actually believe what I've just read

Echobelly · 25/02/2025 22:07

No, you owe him nothing, and your mother nothing either.

I'm fortunate to have a great relationship with my parents but would never recommend anyone feels obliged to have relationships with neglectful or cruel ones.

TheFormidableMrsC · 25/02/2025 22:36

Maddy70 · 25/02/2025 21:01

Moving abroad for a new life isn't awful
Keeping some of his special branded foods while kids have unbranded is fine. You
were fed and healthy kids eat so much. I kept a load of "budget" snacks for mine too. I wanted a nice treat but I wasn't having that 200000 X a day like my children were

You were sneaking out at night, a risk to yourself. He protected you, made you do chores and sanctioned you for your poor behaviour as any parent would however some are stricter than others

I always had to pay my dad petrol money too ... I always thought that was weird but he was doing to it demonstrate how much petrol and time costs but iseens like he was using this as a power trio with you (unless you were working and then fair enough!)

The camera stuff yes absolutely. That's what to get upset about and rightly so but you're getting parenting mixed up with sexual predatory.
you do not need to have a relationship with him at all. But ..your mum has sided with him throughout she's unlikely to change now but do be aware you could lose her. It sounds as if she's in a toxic relationship and she doesn't know how to handle this either

Jesus Fucking Christ. What have I just read? How dare you minimise the horrific ordeal OP has suffered. She is a victim of abuse and you are telling her it's "not that bad". Keep your shit advice to yourself.

GreenCandleWax · 25/02/2025 22:56

Why are you having ANY kind of relationship with this awful man? Just because he is married to your DM is not a reason for you or your DC to have any contact with him at all. If you and your DM wish to continue your relationship with each other (do you?), it must be done without him. Its crunch time for your DM. Am guessing you are afraid to ,lose her, so continue to compromise about him, which you should not be doing. To do with your question, your DM will probably choose to not confront the issue unfortunately. If you want to continue with her, tell her that you will not have him in your life or your DC's life, and he is definitely NOT their grandad. You will see her on her own, or not at all. Be firm. She has no option but to accept it if she wants to see you.💐

Maddy70 · 25/02/2025 22:58

I'm not minimising anything ...I'm asking the op to focus on what she should absolutely be focusing on and the reasons why she doesn't have to have anything to di with him! Jesus

Wishyouwerehere50 · 25/02/2025 23:03

Maddy70 · 25/02/2025 22:58

I'm not minimising anything ...I'm asking the op to focus on what she should absolutely be focusing on and the reasons why she doesn't have to have anything to di with him! Jesus

People familiar with abuse and dysfunction have been subjected to alot of downplaying, minimising and disbelief. Gaslighting will also be something many have been subject to.

Any minimisation of OPs very awful experience is therefore going to be jumped on quite strongly understandably, particularly as many posters here will have had direct experience of this in their own dynamics.

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