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AITA for refusing to have a relationship with the man who made my childhood hell?

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Surelyitisntjustme · 23/02/2025 16:39

Please read to the end as I feel context is necessary here.

My mum recently stopped speaking to me and my sister, after sending us both a message saying "would it have KILLED you both to wish your stepdad a happy birthday? I am very pissed off with you both and so disappointed". My sister made some remarks about it not being at the top of her priority list and I basically said "you asked me to be civil with him many years ago which I have been, but I won't pretend to have a relationship with him and I'm annoyed that you expect that I would". She then replied with "I give up", left the group chat she has had with us both for years and a week later still has not spoken to either of us since. She's currently away on a 3 month holiday with her husband and due to return soon and we don't know what to expect, if she intends on discussing this any further or not speaking to us at all (my sister is getting married this year and she's supposed to be giving her away).

CONTEXT

My sister and I have never had a good relationship with the man. My other family members don't like him much and they don't even know half of the real reasons we don't like him.

These reasons range from things such as telling us as kids that our real dad didn't care about us (not true) after we all moved overseas for this man's job and left behind the rest of the family and life we'd always known. He would buy branded foods for him and my mum, keeping them in a special "adults cupboard" that we weren't allowed in, leaving the more basic/cheaper things for us.

I was a bit of a rebel as a teenager (nothing outrageous) but a punishment for sneaking out to meet friends was for him to board my bedroom windows shut, remove the door from its hinges, give me one single outfit, a "uniform" to wear for a month, ground me, make me sweep dirt in the garden, remove all of my cosmetics, appliances etc.

When I got my first job, there was a really bad storm and no public transport where we live, so my mum asked him to give me a lift (5 mins drive, I would usually walk it). He refused to let me out of the car until I paid him £20 as he said that's what a taxi would have cost.

All of the above may sound simply like strict parenting and nothing too outrageous to some. But it goes on....

When I was grounded and no door on my bedroom, at 14 year old I once woke to him sitting on the end of my bed in the middle of the night. When I opened my eyes he RAN out of the room. I felt physically sick and scared of what his intentions were as I woke up thinking someone was touching me. It was only a few days after he removed my bedroom door. When I finally got the courage to tell my mum about this (after spending weeks sleeping fully clothed after it happened) she just said she would talk to him. The result was I was allowed to move into the annexe outside, despite asking many times before if I could and being told no. My mum then said she spoke to him and he said he was "chasing the cat out of my room"....a room without a door that a cat would just wander back into anyway. There was no attempt made from him to discuss this with me, no conversation ever took place after until I raised it with my mum again years later as an adult.

I'm addition to this, not long before this incident happened, we had a cleaner. She left our house, telling my mum she was scared for her daughter's because she found a camera in the bathroom. This was laughed off by my mum and stepdad and became a running family joke that the "crazy maid" obviously must have thought the black shampoo bottle top looked like a camera.

But then years later, when I was an adult and had finally moved away, my sister tells me she finds her video camera that had gone missing, in their room. She looks on it and there are video clips where he filmed the neighbour through her window getting undressed. It was a series of clips over a few months. It was him filming because his voice can be heard. When my sister told my mum she was devastated and drove with my sister a number of hours to come and stay with me. We thought this was the realisation she needed, but she ended up getting back with him less than 2 weeks later and my sister and I have kept this incident secret from the rest of our family for my mum's sake, which seems ridiculous now.

That being said all of this happened around 10 years ago. There have been arguments over the years, none for a long time, but they have always resulted in us basically saying we will never like him, her playing the victim (which she is in many ways) and us feeling guilty and having to keep the peace. He has spent Christmases with us, I have had him in my home, cooked meals for him etc much to my displeasure.

I had my first child 2 years ago and went through counselling because I refuse to let these feelings be something that affects him one day. Part of that has made me realise it isn't my job to protect my mum's feelings at my own expense, so I am trying to not fall into the same trap again. She constantly refers to her husband as my child's grandad, which I hate, but I haven't said anything about it yet. I am very very close to my grandparents and I don't feel he comes even close to deserving this title.

I've never really spoken to other people about this and I'm keen to hear outsider views. Was I unreasonable to not wish him happy birthday via text when they are away on the other side of the world, considering I wouldn't usually contact him on his birthday anyway? Is it unreasonable of me to let her stay silent and not reach out to try and resolve this? How would you approach this when she returns if either she a) confronts is and wants to continue the debate or b) acts like it never happened?

OP posts:
Middlemarch123 · 23/02/2025 19:50

Honestly OP, I would cut your mum and him out of your lives.
Your mum made the wrong choice years ago, she owns that.
Concentrate on your own little family, and stay close to your sister.
When other family members ask why, tell them the truth. No more hiding his hideous behaviour and her enabling of it.

Never2many · 23/02/2025 19:53

Tbh OP you would be being unreasonable to let either of these people near your children.

Your children are at risk if they have any contact with them.

Americano75 · 23/02/2025 19:55

I'd be tempted to send him 'happy birthday ya fucking nonce' then block the pair of them. Odious bastards.

PaintCatsPaint · 23/02/2025 19:59

You owe a mother like that nothing at all. The absolute neck of throwing a strop because you refused to wish your abuser a happy birthday. You’re being gaslit like no-one’s business here, OP, and you need to take her reaction as the opportunity you need to cut off contact with both of them. I wouldn’t let children anywhere near a man like that, or anywhere near a woman who essentially provided him with kids to abuse. My mother did this, and let me tell you, they don’t suddenly wake up one morning and become accountable. The nerve of it. I’m so angry for you.

AnneLady · 23/02/2025 20:06

Is your dad involved with your child? He should be called grandad not this man. Just call him by his name to your child and if you have to correct your mum over and over then do it. Stop the video calls. They are unnecessary. Tell your mum you are going low contact or even no contact. You need to protect your child. You know how to do this. Your child needs you to make the right decision here. Be happy with your own little family. You do not need these dreadful people. Definitely no more cards. Farhers day can take a hike too. Wishing you strength.

AlexStocks · 23/02/2025 20:13

Oh sweetie, you don't need a mom that would allow that crap. You give your sister away if she must be given.

MissUltraViolet · 23/02/2025 20:25

I had to deal with an abusive stepdad and it made me hate my mum. She did leave him eventually but it was far too late for me, it destroyed my relationship with her completely.

I think you are mad for even giving one single solitary fuck about what she may or may not think. I would have absolutely nothing to do with the pair of them. He's a disgusting, dangerous, creepy prick and she is fucking awful for standing by his side through it all.

I would not allow my children anywhere near him.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 23/02/2025 20:29

Never2many · 23/02/2025 19:49

I would tell her that you never wish to see or speak to either of them again.

To him because he’s a filthy sex offender, and I might suggest that some of his victims have been seeking legal advice, and to her because she is a sex offender apologist.

I would tell her that she will never see her grandchildren again, and that you intend to tell them that he isn’t related to them and is a horrible person, and that she is a horrible person for letting him hurt their mummy.

And then I would tell all the family exactly what the both of them are.

Absofuckinglutely.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 23/02/2025 20:32

I'm going to armchair psychologise you now....🤷‍♀️😃

Ah OP, these dynamics are so tough.

So someone asked how much you want a relationship with your mum. She has zero boundaries and that's evident by everything she has enabled and ignored all your life.

So when you try to assert boundaries with her such as your non negotiable position regards communication with the step twat - she's going to throw a huge tantrum as she is now. She doesn't like boundaries, she doesn't like you not behaving in a way she sees appropriate to HER and the beast she shacked up with at YOUR expense. .

Someone mentioned the will. When you are fully prepared to let go of that ever happening and know this is often the only remaining tool these people like your mum use to manipulate you- that's a point where you can be free.

How much does your mum want you in her life and is she prepared to adapt her behaviour in any way to respect your boundaries? I don't know the answer.

For your own mental wellbeing and physical health, sticking firm to your boundaries and communicating them without anger is best. You're doing that already with the birthday situation but it needs go further with these people in your life.

I'd say no more explanation is needed for your mum beyond ' I'm just not comfortable in any way with a relationship with step twat, ( use his name), but I would be happy to have a relationship with you if you can accept that'. End of. No more. Mum knows exactly what the c*ntchop is capable of. She's blocking it out.

She needs to accept it OP. She has betrayed you beyond words and is punishing you for your understandable reaction. What a child she is. What else is she capable of.

You're probably trauma bonded to your mum so just walking away isn't easy. It's all well just hoping that's possible but it might not be easy for you and that's ok.

I'm not saying she has a personality disorder but she has traits alot of them and for that reason I'd recommend watching Dr Ramani on YouTube. Really helpful and helps you make sense of things.

The fact you even have to explain and justify all that behaviour says you've probably been manipulated or blamed for others behaviour by at least one parent growing up.

ttcat37 · 23/02/2025 20:43

I think if she comes to you you’re well within your rights to say “why would I wish him a happy birthday? He’s a sex offender and made my life hell”.
She failed to protect you as a child. She put this grubby specimen above you. It’s ok to not have a relationship with her. I certainly wouldn’t be making the effort to contact her.

iamnotalemon · 23/02/2025 20:48

I'm sorry you went through this and still have this person in your life. I'm in a similar situation and it's so difficult and my childhood has hugely impacted my life (I really do need to get therapy).

You are not being unreasonable and your mum is really very lucky you have anything to do with either of them x

JMSA · 23/02/2025 20:58

Yer maw's an absolute fanny Flowers

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 23/02/2025 21:03

Americano75 · 23/02/2025 19:55

I'd be tempted to send him 'happy birthday ya fucking nonce' then block the pair of them. Odious bastards.

This!!

Surelyitisntjustme · 23/02/2025 23:28

Wishyouwerehere50 · 23/02/2025 20:32

I'm going to armchair psychologise you now....🤷‍♀️😃

Ah OP, these dynamics are so tough.

So someone asked how much you want a relationship with your mum. She has zero boundaries and that's evident by everything she has enabled and ignored all your life.

So when you try to assert boundaries with her such as your non negotiable position regards communication with the step twat - she's going to throw a huge tantrum as she is now. She doesn't like boundaries, she doesn't like you not behaving in a way she sees appropriate to HER and the beast she shacked up with at YOUR expense. .

Someone mentioned the will. When you are fully prepared to let go of that ever happening and know this is often the only remaining tool these people like your mum use to manipulate you- that's a point where you can be free.

How much does your mum want you in her life and is she prepared to adapt her behaviour in any way to respect your boundaries? I don't know the answer.

For your own mental wellbeing and physical health, sticking firm to your boundaries and communicating them without anger is best. You're doing that already with the birthday situation but it needs go further with these people in your life.

I'd say no more explanation is needed for your mum beyond ' I'm just not comfortable in any way with a relationship with step twat, ( use his name), but I would be happy to have a relationship with you if you can accept that'. End of. No more. Mum knows exactly what the c*ntchop is capable of. She's blocking it out.

She needs to accept it OP. She has betrayed you beyond words and is punishing you for your understandable reaction. What a child she is. What else is she capable of.

You're probably trauma bonded to your mum so just walking away isn't easy. It's all well just hoping that's possible but it might not be easy for you and that's ok.

I'm not saying she has a personality disorder but she has traits alot of them and for that reason I'd recommend watching Dr Ramani on YouTube. Really helpful and helps you make sense of things.

The fact you even have to explain and justify all that behaviour says you've probably been manipulated or blamed for others behaviour by at least one parent growing up.

Thank you for this, I think you have articulated very well what I've gone through and this is exactly how my counsellor described it. It's easy to understand why people think I should cut my mother out of my life, if I was hearing this story from someone else I'd be advising the same. It is just not so easy to be the one to do it.

OP posts:
PeriPeriMam · 23/02/2025 23:38

Everything everybody has already said. It's very difficult because you've been pulled into this mess and conditioned to accept it, and need to untangle even more than you have.

AND anyway, WHY should it be so important you wish him a happy birthday anyway? Purely even on its own, creating a drama over that is totally unnecessary 😵‍💫

AcrossthePond55 · 23/02/2025 23:40

@Surelyitisntjustme

Was I unreasonable to not wish him happy birthday via text when they are away on the other side of the world, considering I wouldn't usually contact him on his birthday anyway?

Not at all.

Is it unreasonable of me to let her stay silent and not reach out to try and resolve this?

Ditto

How would you approach this when she returns if either she a) confronts is and wants to continue the debate or b) acts like it never happened?

I guess this depends on whether or not either A or B would make a difference in your feelings towards this man. I have the feeling that it wouldn't make one iota of difference. So it's up to you;

If she does 'A' I'd cut her off and say "Mum I don't want or have a relationship with 'Bob'. For your sake, I am polite to him when I have to see him, but that's my limit. This is not open for further discussion because I think things will be said that we will regret". And then shut it down.

If she does 'B', I'd probably just go on my merry way ignoring him. She's made her decision and her choice. Trying to make her see your side is useless. Save your breath to cool your porridge.

As far as your son goes, if you don't want him calling this man Grandad, but you don't want to make a big 'thing' about it, I'd start with referring to him as 'Grandad Bob' and then segue into 'Bob'. If your grandfather is still living and/or there is a paternal grandfather, I'd be sure to refer to them as 'Grandad' to your son and if he calls 'Bob' Grandad, I'd probably say "Oh no, your grandads are 'Grandad who lives in the blue house' and/or 'Grandad who lives by the sea' (or some other easy 'identifier'). At one point my sons had 2 sets of grandparents and 2 sets of great grandparents and that's how we sorted them out for our sons when they were little.

PaintCatsPaint · 23/02/2025 23:53

PeriPeriMam · 23/02/2025 23:38

Everything everybody has already said. It's very difficult because you've been pulled into this mess and conditioned to accept it, and need to untangle even more than you have.

AND anyway, WHY should it be so important you wish him a happy birthday anyway? Purely even on its own, creating a drama over that is totally unnecessary 😵‍💫

The mother is creating drama over it because OP’s not going along with her ‘happy families’ schtick by wishing him a happy birthday reminds the mother of what she’s done. She’s thinking that if OP won’t go along with something seemingly trivial like this, what else might she not go along with in the future? It’s about control. For OP’s mother there’s nothing scarier than OP having boundaries and agency over the situation.

Comtesse · 23/02/2025 23:59

Your mum has got a bloody cheek. Your step father sounds abusive and very creepy. I’m sorry they were so horrible during your childhood Flowers both of them let you down very badly.

DodoTired · 24/02/2025 00:31

if you don’t cut him off: never leave your children with him unsupervised and never have him overnight/stay overnight at theirs.
and talk to your sister so she does the same

pikkumyy77 · 24/02/2025 00:38

You may secretly feel your child is safe because he is a boy but you don’t know that—stepdad may be more opportunistic than that.

In addition you absolutely cannot permit him in your house as camera and spy equipment is much more advanced (as are computer programs to spy on your computer) and he would be in a position to leave cameras etc…in tour house or malware on your computer.

Being forced to call this man granddad is bad but letting your dc see you held hostage to the relationship and learn that your mother/stepdad are trustworthy family is even worse.

user1492757084 · 24/02/2025 00:44

Terrible man.
Does he send you a personal Happy Birthday message?
You and your sister should stick together and keep him from your homes and lives.
Tell all to the family. Let the rest of your family be your rock.
You will not miss contact with SF.

I would only meet your mother in public playgrounds and coffee shops.
You want to keep contact with your mother - but you don't have to agree with any communication that doesn't seem uplifting. I think you will end up seeing less of your mother for reasons of protecting your children and your own self respect.

dointhebestwecan · 24/02/2025 00:46

Sending cards/ wishing happy birthday etc are acts of public performance which people like that rely on to cover things up. That's why they are so annoyed. The step-father will have made an issue of it as part of the brain washing of the mother.

deeahgwitch · 24/02/2025 01:05

tsmainsqueeze · 23/02/2025 17:34

This fall out is all on your mothers shoulders ,she knew she was / is married to a pervert but chose to put him before the safety of her 2 daughters .
Neither of them deserve anything from you and your sister , he is disgusting but i feel more anger towards any mother who chooses a man over her children.
He wouldn't be allowed anywhere near my children either , perhaps use this experience to ditch him for good from your lives, sadly probably your mother included.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Ineedcoffee2021 · 24/02/2025 01:22

She made her choice a long time ago

Cut these abusers out of your life, they not worth it
Yes she is an abuser too, she allowed it all to happen

BreadInCaptivity · 24/02/2025 02:09

The mother is creating drama over it because OP’s not going along with her ‘happy families’ schtick by wishing him a happy birthday reminds the mother of what she’s done. She’s thinking that if OP won’t go along with something seemingly trivial like this, what else might she not go along with in the future? It’s about control. For OP’s mother there’s nothing scarier than OP having boundaries and agency over the situation.

I think this comment bears repeating.

OP you're right to be processing the abuse from your SF, but I think you also need to come to terms with why your mother behaved as she did.

We often cast women why stay with men like your SF as victims who've been coerced and manipulated.

However that's not always an accurate narrative.

Your mother made many, many choices over the years to stay married to a man she KNEW was abusive and predatory.

For some women this is very much a calculated decision because ultimately what they get from the relationship (often financial security or social status) outweighs the downsides - even when those downsides impact their own children to a serious degree.

What she is doing is coercing you into false narrative. That as this man deserves your respect and place in your and your child's life now must mean there was nothing of note that happened historically.

"If he was so bad why is he 'grandad' to your child"?

"If he was so bad why are you wishing him happy birthday/inviting him for Christmas?" Etc etc

You need to accept she is far from passive in this situation, both in the past and now.

She's effectively creating an ongoing defence for both her actions and his, so that if you re-gain control by holding the pair of them to account she can dismiss and minimise your childhood experiences to all and sundry as the vexatious allegations of a self centred adult.