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Teachers : what's the worst thing about the job now?

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Floursacktabletop · 22/02/2025 20:31

I've name changed , but been here many years and teaching for 22 years.
Dreading going back on Monday. For me , the worst bit is the increasingly poor behaviour of students and the continual parental complaints and allegations.
Anyone else dreading it and fancy a solidarity thread?

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Floursacktabletop · 23/02/2025 00:00

Wowse · 22/02/2025 23:48

SEN numbers have increased in my school over the last few years but so has our knowledge and practice. Our SEND team are fabulous and supportive.

I can understand reading this thread why SEN parents feel let down by some schools when SEN is being touted as the worst thing about the job by many on this thread.

Imagine sending your child into school knowing their disability is seen as the worst thing about their job by some of their teachers.

Disingenuous
SEND resources and support , not the child

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Vgbeat · 23/02/2025 00:00

Stupid wastes of time like the sip visit I've got the week after next and the pressure things like this bring for no bloody reason.

Violashifts · 23/02/2025 00:01

BBCK · 22/02/2025 22:10

Teachers who are parents haven’t got time to complain to their kids’ school cos they’re… in school working!!!

Yep every child matters except your own.

SquashedSquid · 23/02/2025 00:02

Showercap22 · 22/02/2025 23:59

I may get flamed for this, but in my experience this often happens because they are struggling to cope with their child's behaviour, and feel that an autism diagnosis would explain why they're struggling so much, and feel a sense of relief 'it isn't just them'.
We've also experienced parents wanting a diagnosis because of concerns from school or poor behaviour/outcomes, and that will suddenly magic up extra support for their child. It unfortunately isn't that simple.

One of the parents I had was obsessed with getting DLA for her child because she wanted the extra money and believed it was grossly unfair that other children had it and hers didn't. She offered to pay me to say he had autism.

Pissoffyouall · 23/02/2025 00:02

What causes so many SEN? Some teachers say 20%-50% of the class?
Is it pupils who in the past would have gone into special schools or something else?

MrsHamlet · 23/02/2025 00:02

BoundaryGirl3939 · 23/02/2025 00:00

My beautiful and gentle natured adult teacher friend is being bullied by a particular group of boys she tries to teach. She confided in me recently. She feels so demoralised and humiliated. She really is a hard worker but feels ganged up on and too embarrassed to ask for help.

If there's no one in the hierarchy she feels she can approach, suggest she speaks to her union rep. They'll have heard it all before.

Wowse · 23/02/2025 00:02

Floursacktabletop · 23/02/2025 00:00

Disingenuous
SEND resources and support , not the child

The majority of posts yes, not all.

SquashedSquid · 23/02/2025 00:03

Wowse · 22/02/2025 23:56

Again, read the thread.

I have. What's your point, other than being repetitive?

Itdoesntmatteranyway · 23/02/2025 00:03

Wowse · 22/02/2025 23:52

Read the thread.

You read the bloody thread.
in fact I’ll explain simply, in words you might understand.
One reason teaching is hard is because there are more SEN needs and not enough support.
And teachers, who contrary to popular belief went into teaching to help kids (and not to get long holidays / finish at 3 / because they’ve never left school / whatever other shite is said) actually feel bad because they can’t support those kids, while successfully teaching the other kids; therefore the SEN needs make the job hard.
Do you get it now?

Pissoffyouall · 23/02/2025 00:04

pimplebum · 22/02/2025 22:25

Parents threaten legal and sometimes want to end your career without getting the facts first
causes so much stress

workload - why are thousands of English teachers making Macbeth worksheets when this could be centrally organised?

send , no ed psychs available not resources if a child is diagnosed

Do we know why there are no textbooks used any more? Why is it all worksheets instead?

SquashedSquid · 23/02/2025 00:05

Pissoffyouall · 23/02/2025 00:04

Do we know why there are no textbooks used any more? Why is it all worksheets instead?

They cost a fortune, we don't have the budget for them and if we did, they'd be destroyed within hours.

Pissoffyouall · 23/02/2025 00:07

IDoWhateverItTakes · 22/02/2025 22:15

Academies - watching the heavy multi-layers of execs, SLT and other non-teaching staff at the top syphon off so much money when we are on our knees staffing and support-staffing wise where we need it: with the children.

What is this motivation from thr past government to convert everything into academies? Why were they doing it?

FrippEnos · 23/02/2025 00:07

Pissoffyouall · 23/02/2025 00:02

What causes so many SEN? Some teachers say 20%-50% of the class?
Is it pupils who in the past would have gone into special schools or something else?

The closure of SEND schools has had an impact on the level of pupils with a SEND.
Part of the issue is "inclusive education" it was never meant to be for all children, its was supposed to be for those with disabilities that should never excluded them in the first place. But the government saw it as a chance to reduce spending on education and now schools cannot cope with the numbers that are coming through.
And remember that the requirements/thresholds to get extra funding for pupils with SEND was raised, dropping that amount of funding that schools had available.

oakleaffy · 23/02/2025 00:07

Stardust286 · 22/02/2025 20:47

Not teacher but SEN teaching assistant. Behaviour! Absolutely no respect for adults, I get told daily by the child I'm working with 1:1 to go away, shut up, rolls his eyes when i remind him of consequences of bad behavior. He raises his fist at me, won't listen, refuses to accept my help. It's relentless

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Sounds awful. A woman I knew who loved children thought TA would be a nice job for her due to the hours...She was physically assaulted so badly she had to quit. Her husband said it just wasn't worth it.
People aren't paid enough to be physically assaulted by children.

Coffeeteasugar · 23/02/2025 00:08

Standing by everyday while children who need help are not getting it and feeling helpless as I cannot meet their needs. I see them floundering, beginning to hate school at 7 and 8 when it should be so exciting and feeling like failures when it’s the govt and system that are failing them.

FuzzyYellowChicken · 23/02/2025 00:08

Quite eye opening.
I couldn't be a teacher so I respect anyone who is.
Is the behaviour actually any worse? I remember some horrific stuff when I was at secondary. Is the punishment just not as harsh now so behaviour trickier to deal with??
The real bad kids just used to disappear (excluded). I guess that's not as easy now?
Also interesting how most mention parents? I'm so wary as a parent not to annoy the teachers asking them for help or making them aware of stuff. I rarely do. But whenever you raise stuff with other mums (or on here) everyone always says "speak to the teacher" "ask school for help" "school should be able to provide X y and z" so it's tricky to know what to do as a parent

Ziggy30 · 23/02/2025 00:09

EYFS and KS1 leader as well as SENDCo

The majority of our parents across the school are wonderful. Some of their complaints I have dealt with I can’t say I disagree with. At the end of the day they want what’s best for their children.

I mostly love my job. My three worst parts of the job…

-Bitterness and bitchiness among other staff (especially with such a small staff body).
-How scripted the job is.
-How we have to beg, borrow and steal funding, resources, training to deal with the significant issues and number of SEND cases in a mainstream setting. Yet a child we recently secured a specialist setting for were receiving £100,000 + to take them. But we were not even given the funding to cover his 1:1. Let alone the training of staff and specialist equipment and resources needed!

Rant over 🙃

Ihopeithinkiknow · 23/02/2025 00:10

@Floursacktabletop who can I complain to please?
I was sat here happily reading then you mentioned that story about the ghost, how the hell am I supposed to sleep tonight after that very scary post.

Haha I couldn't be a teacher because I would lose my rag if some cocky teenager tried being a complete twat with me.
I was a nightmare at school and I bet a few of the teachers thought about punching me on a daily basis

FrippEnos · 23/02/2025 00:10

Pissoffyouall · 23/02/2025 00:04

Do we know why there are no textbooks used any more? Why is it all worksheets instead?

A textbook costs between £25 - £30, a class set multiple by 35 (just to be safe, and I have seen classes at 36 - 38 pupils) for a year group multiply by 5 (on average)

a work sheet = cost of printing.

Ablondiebutagoody · 23/02/2025 00:11

FrippEnos · 23/02/2025 00:00

Its because there are too many pupils in the class, Limited time, Your lucky if the child has a TA, ECHP or not, 1-2-1 or not.
There are also another 6 - 10 pupils with with varying SEND in the class, some of which clash with each other,
The fiddler cannot be put next the child that needs silence and focus, or the child that calls out, the child that calls out cannot be sat next to the child with tics, the child with tics cannot be sat next to the child with the behavioural issues, and they need to be sat next to the teacher. Throw in another couple that have to have a the background on the whiteboard a different colour due to dyslexia and the vision impaired pupil that needs to be at the front and the child with hearing issues.

it cannot be done with the resources available, size of the room etc.

Throw in 2 that couldn't read or write (in year 6), another smashing the place up and several who would cry anytime they had to work independently and that sounds like my last class at the time I quit. 1 TA shared across 3 classes in the year. Its nothing to do with lacking empathy for SEN. It's that pretending a classroom can function that way is failing everyone.

FrippEnos · 23/02/2025 00:12

Pissoffyouall · 23/02/2025 00:07

What is this motivation from thr past government to convert everything into academies? Why were they doing it?

It reduces government costs and removes the governments responsibility, whilst allowing them to bitch about teachers and education.

Pissoffyouall · 23/02/2025 00:15

Annaannaannab · 22/02/2025 22:36

I qualified at the end of 2021. My dream , sacrificed years of my life studying and training . I’m already out .

I have never been so depressed , I almost had a breakdown - and that is not an exaggeration, one day I just walked in and realised I couldn’t take another day , and I walked out. If I hadn’t , I dread to think what would happen. The pressure , the micromanaging, the lack of respect, the workload, the complete hopelessness you feel when you realise the system is designed to impress ofsted not do the best for the children . The worst - especially as a mother of a SEN child - the lack of support for SEN. I was directly told to stop what I had implemented for a SEN child and focus instead on the other children because “ he’s never going to make it “ .

Im now in a different role - still education but adults , disabilities and the best part… no ofsted. I’m excited to go back on Monday because I absolutely love my job now. Yet when I was in teaching I’m not being dramatic when I say I had lay in bed many Sunday nights hoping to have a car crash on the way into work so I wouldn’t have to go in .

I'm so sorry to hear you experienced this. What is it they have to do for Ofsted that isnt necesaarily good for the children?

caringcarer · 23/02/2025 00:18

I was a secondary teacher for over 20 years. I had mostly GCSE and A level groups but some year 8 and 9. I found DC's concentration was often poor. Many more DC with neuro diversity in mainstream classes without TA's. The marking workload was heavy for me, reports, prep of lessons each time the curriculum changed and the general worry about some of the DC. I had more than one 17 year old boy who was homeless and sofa surfed with various friends, many 16 and 17 year olds who had part time jobs that insisted they work additional hours to their contract hours, an anorexic student and often depressed students. Numerous DC with ADHD some who were medicated and some who were not. I retired early at 56. I felt drained not so much from the teaching but by worrying about the students and the way some of them lived.

Em1ly2023 · 23/02/2025 00:18

BoundaryGirl3939 · 23/02/2025 00:00

My beautiful and gentle natured adult teacher friend is being bullied by a particular group of boys she tries to teach. She confided in me recently. She feels so demoralised and humiliated. She really is a hard worker but feels ganged up on and too embarrassed to ask for help.

Please encourage her to get help, or this will take an even worse toll on her MH. Has she escalated it at the school?

Pissoffyouall · 23/02/2025 00:21

converseandjeans · 22/02/2025 22:49

Corridor behaviour - pushing & shoving. It’s embarrassing when I have a visitor in.

Students gaslighting me & trying to convince me that they weren't talking (I saw their mouth moving), they weren't passing notes (I confiscated it but they sneaked to my cupboard to take it back) they didn't have their phone out (despite me seeing it) & then argue the toss about getting a detention for these things.

Students going to complain to head of year if they get a level or detention. Sometimes they are 'desperate for the loo' & will kick up a huge fuss until you let them go & instead they go & complain!

Parents - you only need to read a few threads on here to comprehend the problem.

The pressure to ensure every SEN issue is supported. It’s hard to remember them all when you teach about 300 kids. There were very few 24 years ago & now a third of the class has some sort of extra need. It’s hard to remember them all!

I do still enjoy being with teenagers though. Never a dull moment Smile

I cant tell you how much I admire teachers and their patients? Do we know the reason for so much SEN these days?