Scared of what labour will do

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Is anyone else terrified of what labour will enforce. The tax on farmers. Will they means test pip? Will they tax state pension more? What else will they do and where will it all end. They ruthlessly without no care took away the winter fuel allowance. Means testing and taxing state pension would massively impact my family

...and she is gone, rightly so, whats the point you re trying to make?

Her conviction wasn't spent when she entered Parliament;

she pleaded guilty to making a false report to police at magistrates' court six months before becoming an MP in the 2015 election

TBH thats a charge that can be thrown at many MPs whatever the party...

But not one that can thrown at Starmer, Reeves, Cooper or Lammy, who are doing the top jobs in any govt...

So top marks for trying to paint Labour into something they are not....

People with unspent convictions can stand for Parliament, so long as the sentence was less than 1 year.

I should think so otherwise the repercussions would have been more serious.

I think we can be pretty certain we won’t have three PMs and four chancellors before the next election.

Unfortunately I think we are stuck with the current prime minister but I wouldn't bet against having two more chancellors before the next election.

@Clavinova "I should think so otherwise the repercussions would have been more serious"

I've lost you. So she was qualified to be an MP. Qualified to be a Minister. But resigned when it looked as if her past might embarrass the government. And somehow this goes to showing the Labour Party as weak on ethics?

@Kittygolightlyy "
"I don’t know about you but I’ve never committed Fraud"

Well, I've certainly several times walked out of a railway station without paying if there's nobody in the ticket office. And I haven't done this-but I know loads of people who have added something to their insurance claim if their car was stolen or their house burgled. It's quite common behaviour.

CurlewKate
I've lost you

Really? My first post was simply correcting PandoraSox's assumption that Louise Haigh's conviction was spent when she entered Parliament. You are reading too much into my reply to Alexandra2001 - perhaps I should have posted 'obviously' instead. Although regarding ethics (since you've raised it), I wonder if voters were aware of Haigh's unspent conviction in the run up to the 2015 general election?

@Alexandra2001

I’m not trying to make a point.

I have made a point.

Over my last few posts here, using other refd sources also. It is quite clear. I can repeat if you’re slow this morning (happens to us all).

’Labour set itself a very high bar on ethics in government

In the years running up to the 2024 general election, Starmer and his party focused strongly on ethics in government, criticising many Conservative ministers for apparent ethical failings and promising to establish a new ethics and integrity commission.

.. it … looks as if this government does not fully understand how ministers’ actions look to its external critics. Having been so quick to loudly criticise the last government for its perceived failings on ethics and integrity.. Starmer and his team need to show that they truly understand the importance of meeting the standards that they promised to uphold once in office.‘
(IfG)

I understand that the Labour faithfuls will cling on to anything but really, grow up and admit the party are an incompetent and corrupt shambles so far. I hope they get better, I really do.

At least they’ve rowed back on making self ID easier I suppose.

@Kittygolightlyy "
"I understand that the Labour faithfuls will cling on to anything but really, grow up and admit the party are an incompetent and corrupt shambles so far"

I won't admit that because it's not true. But give me some examples and I will happily talk about them. And accept if they show incompetence or corruption.

😑

@Kittygolightlyy not sure what that emoji means. But you will notice that I have addressed every example outlined on this thread and am happy to discuss any others. But detail and facts don't appear to be your thing....

Sorry to knock you off your moral high ground, but I've quoted no one as far as I remember, certainly not extensively.
Just the thoughts in my own head 😀

I apologise @Katypp -I tagged the wrong poster. I meant @Kittygolightlyy.

Incidentally- the moral high ground on this thread seems to be entirely occupied by those who have never tweaked their CVs, or added something to an insurance claim.

Are you a goer for insurance fraud?

What's your approach for self scan at supermarkets?

Not being able to pay for a ticket is not fraud. That’s a very poor example.

If you were intentionally fare dodging then you were committing a crime. As are people who defraud insurance companies.

To judge by what’s been posted of Haigh’s offence, she defrauded her employer of over £1,200.

Any dishonesty offence is enough to land a lawyer in very hot water, and I imagine the same is true for plenty of jobs. Haigh was a Minister of State for God’s sake. Why are trying to minimise this?

I want to be absolutely clear: I have no doubt the Tories are just as bad. But it was Labour that banged on and on and on about ethics and probity. Surely you can see why the hypocrisy is so nauseating?

Your uncle just needs to pass the farm on 7 years before his death and it will be exempt from the reduced rate of inheritance tax. If its under £1m it won't qualify anyway. You may be worrying about nothing.

I don’t think falsely claiming to be a solicitor counts as a ‘tweak’.

Tories want to means test state pension as well. If you want real benefits and structures for normal people you have to vote for actually left wing parties like greens etc. People who aren't rich or senior in the private sector have been terrified since 2010 under 14 years of misery. Who speaks for us? Elon Musk? Don't make me laugh.

@Rummly "I don’t think falsely claiming to be a solicitor counts as a ‘tweak'"

No, neither do I. Who did that?

@Rummly "Any dishonesty offence is enough to land a lawyer in very hot water, and I imagine the same is true for plenty of jobs. Haigh was a Minister of State for God’s sake. Why are trying to minimise this?"

I'm not trying to minimise it. But it was a SPENT conviction. Are you saying that shouldn't be a thing?

🙄 you’re embarrassing yourself. I did quote. (And) The ref was in the post above it, but I thought the link was obvious.. I guess it’s only there if you want to see it huh.

Ah, are you making a distinction between LinkedIn, statements to the commons and a website, and a formal CV?