Women singers singing in their knickers.

[Thelasthurdle]

I admit I'm older generation.
I'm a great admirer of singers such as Nina Simone, Linda Ronstadt, Suzi Quatro, Christine Perfect, Joan Baez, Tracy Chapman etc, etc.
They all not only have great voices but also real musical talent.
And they also don't stand and sing in their knickers
So what is it with people like Beyonce and Rhianna? If they really are talented why do they need to sing in their knickers? Why do they need to use sex to sell their songs? They are powerful enough not to bend to the industry pressure on them. Why not stand or fall on their talents rather than on selling their sexuality.?

I am going to go out on a limb and say however you manage to throw yourself around, it doesn’t have the same aesthetic and athletic prowess as Beyoncé’s dancing does. Whatever you manage to accomplish is irrelevant.

No she didn’t. I’ve googled her 70s images and can’t find a single image of her with a huge cleavage on display.

I’m talking about people who claim women wearing skimpy outfits if a kind that their male counterparts tend never to wear is empowering. The end result of continuing to push the boundaries of what is acceptable to wear is Bianca Censori.
And yes, it’s is women that these conversations are always about because they are the ones pushed and celebrated to wear as little as possible.

Yep - apparently we are “bad feminists” if we have no issue with a women wearing danceable attire!

I agree with you. Beyonce reminds me of Dita Von Teese in that their display of their sexuality is aimed at women, not men.

OP, more comparable modern performing artists to the older artists that you mentioned (ie not dancers, so don’t need to wear dance costumes) could be Billie Eilish and Gracie Abrams?

Who has mentioned empowerment on this thread?

It looks tacky and it's an ick. Same reason we don't like seeing men sagging.

What “misogynistic genre” of music are Rihanna and Beyonce making? Pop music?

Looks tacky and an “ick” to who?

Well exactly!

Someone like Sabrina Carpenter actually does sing in knickers (it doesn't bother me) but to pick on Rihanna (who doesn't really do music any more) and Beyoncé seems very odd

but Male singesr do. In the 1970s My sister had a poster of Rod Stewart , wearing pink skin tight shiny disco pants and a crop top and turning to look at camera over his own arse. Freddy Mercury wore cut to the crotch silver lame cat suits, these days you have Nick Jonas showing his butt crack pants right down at the front.

It is possible to look sexy and classy, which doesn't necessitate performing in your scanties 👗🙃.

Beyoncé makes Jay Z tour with her and regularly admonishes him in her songs for cheating on her, doesn’t she? It would often seem quite outwardly feminist.

It really hacks me off that singers are oversexualised when their main financial target is young kids

I have heard some interviews where it is hinted that this is required by the music industry, which is deplorable. But then again, targeting young people with totally inappropriate things appears to be happening everywhere, films, books, video games. The only way to stop it is to make it illegal. Which I personally think would be an excellent idea.

Along with making porn or sexualised humans on view anywhere children can see it illegal - this includes top shelf by the way - 10 year olds can see the top shelf.

And banning lyrics which are not for children

@Thelasthurdle you're not their target audience. Neither am i. It's no big deal, let them do what they want without criticism., As long as it's what THEY want. Women, in general, get a bucket load of criticism without other women contributing.

I can compare what male and female gymnasts wear to dance productions.

Not men male pop acts currently put on the style of dance productions that Beyonce does but some of the ones who do (like Usher) tend to be topless and Beyonce’s male dancers tend to be topless too. She generally is covered up on her top half with her legs out. Basically a gymnasts leotard with thick tights when dancing.

I think Jay-Z and Beyonce have only toured with each other once. I think she only did the one album about him cheating.

My friend's dad turned the tv off when we were watching TOTP and Freddie was wearing the leotard 😂😂😂🫣

Sex sells! If I had a body like them I'd probably show it off too

"you were unfaithful to me but I will still love you" is not a great feminist look, is it?

But they always have been, I used to get the magazine Supersonic in the 1970s I remember pictures of abba nearly naked, David Essex shirt open lying down gazing at camera. I’m 60 now I’m fine.

That sounds good. But it is tosh.

I haven’t seen any top shelf magazines in years (thankfully). I sometimes think if I had girls, rather than boys, I would dread taking them to a concert as some seem so inappropriate for youngsters.

There is nothing particularly feminist or non feminist about wanting to work one one’s marriage for “better and for worse”.

Well you’re not her audience. Her audience enjoy her performances.