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To think the Ofsted inspector who blames WFH parents for low attendance is probably just resentful?

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 14:28

The Chief Inspector of Ofsted is blaming parents who WFH for the demise of school attendance https://www.itv.com/news/2025-02-16/parents-working-from-home-makes-children-feel-school-is-optional-ofsted-head?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ULgukQnTsabNTlcJRBI4kVQsMYkhCPK_KA4lUAgVkxOocYfo3onmRNHU_aem_nuBknA_QEGgfA93CaTPagg. Apparently none of us want to take our slippers off so we let our kids stay at home while we work.

He makes some REALLY weird points like his overworked dad he didn’t see much as his inspiration to go to school. And also MPs making sure they spend weekends with their families is a bad work ethic.

I know MN is a good example of whenever WFH threads are brought up, non-WFHers come on dripping with resentment over WFH and implying WFHers don’t really work. AIBU to think this man - who has somehow been knighted - is basically doing that? I’m not sure how much inspecting he does now, but Ofsted inspectors aren’t any superior or harder working just because they spend a few days working away from home at a time (something BTW I’m expected to do, at least 1 overnight a month).

Also as someone from a household where 2 of us WFH, I can’t think of anything worse than having kids flapping around us while we try and work. I’m FT, and this week I’m off Weds-Fri, as is DH. my DD11 will be at home tomorrow with strict instructions to keep away unless there’s a serious emergency (she’s secondary and old enough to take care of herself) and at a friend’s on Tuesday. My DS is 8 and is going into a holiday club tomorrow and Tuesday as his neediness is unbearable. Both have somewhere between 97 and 99% attendance so far this academic year.

YABU - “He’s got a point”
YANBU - “He’s wrong/resentful”

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ilovesooty · 16/02/2025 15:43

blueshoes · 16/02/2025 14:54

No. Most people don't.

You realise you are just shouting into the wind if you are asking people repeatedly to read the full article.

If that's the case why did the OP start a thread on an article she isn't going to read, then expect people to break down its contents for her?

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:43

Ankhmo · 16/02/2025 15:11

He's basically saying..
"When I were a lad, me dad got up half an hour before he went to bed. He made us lick road clean before putting our cardboard shoes on"

This was back in the 70s and 80s as the man is 52.

Reacting to the national absence stat going up without looking into why, is dim.

Saying people just want to stay at home and not put their shoes on, labels parents as lazy.
It could be that the awareness of viruses is higher now and parents worry more about long term exposure to chest infections and the like. It could be that they don't want their I'll child to spread it to their classmates.. classes are a lot bigger now than they were, its not just 1 kid infecting 20.. it's 1 kid infecting 30 or more.
It could be that parents have more knowledge of such things these days than back in the 70s
It could be that some kids have mental problems, that they hate school and they hate teachers and would happily murder them... So the parents keep them off hoping to get mental health support, but that never comes due to cuts..

It could be any one of a thousand and 17 reasons..

But no.. old man blames it on things not being how it used to be...

Yes exactly that about the implication that WFH parents are lazy. He’s implying WFH parents have the time and inclination to care for children rather than work. I think he’s confusing WFH parents to parents who don’t work.

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Winlan81 · 16/02/2025 15:47

Ofsted either needs to be disbanded or completely overhauled, its honestly not fit for purpose.

jellyfishperiwinkle · 16/02/2025 15:48

For anyone dealing with school refusal, even when you work from home it is 5000x more easier if they just went to school! Rather than constantly trying to get them out of bed and ready and wondering whether you can make that meeting if they are able to go in at break or lunchtime. Parents certainly are not keeping them at home because it's easier for them!

NeverDropYourMooncup · 16/02/2025 15:49

It is a thing with slightly older children - they know Mum or Dad's at home, so say they're ill and need to go home, or will refuse in the morning and the parent needs to be online in ten minutes, so will leave them to watch tv as long as they're quiet.

It can be difficult for the parents because they can't say no, I'm in the office (combined with a kid crying down the phone at them - damn good reason to ban mobiles in school, that) or saying they've been sick with no proof.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:49

MumTeacherofMany · 16/02/2025 15:15

Children with lower attendance tend to have parents who wfh or do not work. I would say he was stating facts OP.

Then you’d think actual statistics would be readily available to back up this assumption, but they’re not.

One provable correlation between persistent absence and parenting is low income households. That IS a fact so you think this guy would take the opportunity to say the government needs to be doing something to support those families. Rather than have a dig at a random group he happens to not be part of

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:51

BitOutOfPractice · 16/02/2025 15:18

There must be three threads a day on mn full of WFH-ers frantically telling us how much more productive they are at home 🤔

I genuinely am. But it’s because nobody is asking me if I’ve seen Love Island, or if I can help them with their computer, or because 15 people are trying to make a cup of tea in the kitchen with the world’s smallest kettle. Of course people with fewer distractions are gonna be more productive

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:52

blueshoes · 16/02/2025 15:19

Agreed.

Baseless speculation from a so-called senior figure extrapolating from anecdote in a totally unevidenced way.

Unbecoming and woefully uneducated stance from a senior figure in Ofsted.

It follows from how the box-ticking Osted extrapolates a school's performance from arbitrary pieces of evidence whilst wilfully turning a blind eye to the full picture.

I have no experience of a school Ofsted inspection but thought the MN thread the other day about how abrasive inspectors are was really insightful.

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MumTeacherofMany · 16/02/2025 15:52

@JandamiHash totally agree he should have backed it up with statics (which he easily could where I work for example)

Bromptotoo · 16/02/2025 15:54

I've read the article in The Times.

When you get into it there are actually multiple reasons why children might be absent with health, including Mental Health, getting mentions.

I wonder whether The Times, not noted for it's advocacy of WfH, has headlined that aspect for clicks.

When my kids were at school I'd have left for the commuter train to London before they were up. Until they were into Primary they'd have eaten before I got home.

I'm now 100% WFH and although my working day is slightly longer I'd have a lot more time with them if they were still at school. I could take them in and still be at my virtual desk by 09:00.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 16/02/2025 15:54

Yanbu, people are jealous creatures 😄

whippy1981 · 16/02/2025 15:54

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:10

I do think the pandemic changed things. Nobody asked for children to be off school for six months and then on and off for another year, it was forced on us all and we had to middle through as best we could. Except for a few kids, they all got a substandard education during lockdown.

But schools, Ofsted and leaders expected children, some very small, to snap back to the mindset, attitude and priorities they had 18 months earlier. And then act all confused when not every child just slipped back into normal schooling.

Nope schools didn't expect that on return. They put measures in place to support kids return.

They expect after 5 years that excuses aren't like arseholes.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:55

cardibach · 16/02/2025 15:22

You said above that you had read it. You haven’t then?
I think pretty much everything said by a representative of OFSTED will be bollocks and the whole organisation should be dismantled forthwith, but have you or haven’t you read it all? And what exactly is he wrong about here?

Yes I’ve read it. He’s wrong about WFH being the problem with low attendance.

And I’m not sure I know enough to nail my colours to the mast but I’m pretty sure I agree with you. An inspectorate is needed from a safeguarding perspective without a doubt but from what I always read Ofsted is problematic and there’s a huge culture problem

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:56

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:23

Are we reading the same article?!

ok so given it’s your thread, how about you tell us what about the article pissed you off now that you’ve seen the cut and paste job was within a broader context where he identities other serious contributing factors including serious mental health challenges endured by some of our children, and links his comment around the change in work patterns with stats

Correlation is not causation - and all he’s linked it with is post pandemic rates, not rates of children with parents WFH.

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Theunamedcat · 16/02/2025 15:56

Some schools act like we can't tell what chickenpox looks like? Ds had low attendance due to illness then he caught chickenpox from the school literally EVERY CHILD who went to that valentines disco came down with chickenpox over 3/4 of the school year were out at various points with chickenpox they sent the attendance officer around because they thought I was mistaken I was not mistaken he had chickenpox a bad case and nearly ended up in hospital they then said I should have returned him sooner I directed them to his Dr who was unimpressed listed his credentials his training and experience and said ds should be home to recover

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:57

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:25

Over and out
should have done that when I realised the op was the type to get frothing at the mouth on the basis of an abstract and actually start a thread about it WItHOUT reading said article 😆

I have read said article 😆 and i stand by my OP 😆 because it’s basically the same article without the information about new rating system 😆

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AllTheChaos · 16/02/2025 15:58

I read the article, and some of it was, I am afraid, absolutely bat shit. Apparently wfh with children during lockdowns discouraged people from getting their children back into school. As someone who had to wfh whilst attempting to home ed a young child, I can confirm that it was absolutely horrendous, and I couldn’t wait for her to be back in school!

Boohoo76 · 16/02/2025 15:59

Both DH and I WFH. I go into the office one day per week and DH’s office is our house as he’s self employed. Our two DC have 100% and 99% attendance. The last thing I want when I am WFH is the kids there all day and we have a spacious house with a study each for DH and I. Would be worse if we had a smaller house.

My brother is a teacher and our ability to WFH drives him insane. I’ve told him that he needs to get another job if it bothers him so much. Wouldn’t be suprised if this OFSTED inspector is just lashing out because he wants to be able to WFH too.

trivialMorning · 16/02/2025 16:00

Across all state secondary schools in England, persistent absence rose from 13 per cent in 2018-19 to 24 per cent in 2022-23.

We all know there an issue just not what the cause is.

I think blaming wfh - isn't it. Though suspect sick or possibly sick kids may stay home more than in past when went in sick or sub par.

I think it's partly covid- and breaking norm of going into school but for a variety of reasons many schools are harder places to be for many more pupils than in past.

privatenonamegiven · 16/02/2025 16:00

This is another attempt to move the focus from the state of Ofsted, the crisis in teacher recruitment and retention, the state of many of our school buildings and poorly funded system that is impacting many of our children at school.

While I agree absenteeism is a problem - there are far bigger ones like not having enough teachers in the first place.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:01

Fae2222 · 16/02/2025 15:33

My point was his deflection by creating interest around well trodden views ( cut teachers’ holidays, raise links with WFH) - not that there is another thread.

There isn't another thread about this, the other thread is about Sir Martyn suggesting that teachers need to teach for more than 190 days out of 365. Again, deflecting away from increasing criticism of OFSTED given the consultation on the proposed framework.

Perhaps you work for MO and OFSTED media @JandamiHash 😂. Promoting MO’s batshit deflections?

Ah I see - I’ll check out the other thread

No I don’t work for Ofsted and if I did it would be a mad move to slag my boss off on the internet 🤣

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:03

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:36

Just to quote

**Oliver said several other factors were also affecting attendance, including poor mental health, such as anxiety and depression,and a lack of funding for services such as school nurses and child psychologists, as well as difficulties luring children away from their screens.

Official figures show a fifth of primary school children are now persistently absent, missing at least one day a fortnight
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He said: “In lockdown we said to children, ‘Stay at home to be educated, go online’. Then we said, ‘Come in for your education, don’t go online, don’t go on your phone’. You can understand that was quite confusing for children going through their formative years. Nurseries, schools, colleges have worked really hard to get over that and we are seeing great successes but there’s more than can be done.”
**

This doesn’t change what he’s said about WFH parents or how ridiculous his statement is. At least in THIS statement he’s using facts. Shame he doesn’t mention the fact so many low income families are persistently absent

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IdaGlossop · 16/02/2025 16:04

AsFunAsEnglishWeather · 16/02/2025 15:05

This. It's perfectly possible to work from home and still be strict on valuing education and making sure your children go in to school each day.

I agree, and fear the chief inspector may have a point. However, I feel uncomfortable about the breadth of Ofsted's remit (and about Ofsted more generally). There's something judgemental and intrusive about Ofsted choosing to pronounce on this. The implication is that parents, yet again, are to blame. In some cases, they are of course. And not all of them will be working from home, especially with older pupils. There's worklessness and parents choosing to be at home to be considered too. In others, different issues will be at play - a school environment that pupils find intimidating, problems within friendship groups, bullying, poor and descending attainment. These are alluded to but as reported it still feels like finger-pointing.

placemats · 16/02/2025 16:04

MPs leave on a Thursday night because they have constituency days on a Friday which are incredibly busy and require a lot of forward planning.

I agree with you @JandamiHash and YANBU.

My ex worked from home (before the pandemic and still does) and it didn't impact on our children's attendance. However he did have times when he was away and if I was working then, albeit on a sporadic basis, getting the kids out to school on time for me to get to work was stressful for us all.

How bizarre to say that if your parents are in their slippers that your children won't go to school.

Matronic6 · 16/02/2025 16:04

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:36

Just to quote

**Oliver said several other factors were also affecting attendance, including poor mental health, such as anxiety and depression,and a lack of funding for services such as school nurses and child psychologists, as well as difficulties luring children away from their screens.

Official figures show a fifth of primary school children are now persistently absent, missing at least one day a fortnight
GETTY IMAGES
He said: “In lockdown we said to children, ‘Stay at home to be educated, go online’. Then we said, ‘Come in for your education, don’t go online, don’t go on your phone’. You can understand that was quite confusing for children going through their formative years. Nurseries, schools, colleges have worked really hard to get over that and we are seeing great successes but there’s more than can be done.”
**

I can't believe you give OP such a hard time! Her initial point was entirely fair. He has not used any statistical data, it's literally just his thoughts.

And typical for Ofsted, they have not based their conclusions on reality. As someone who actually works in a school and responsible for monitoring attendance I haven't noticed any link between WFH parents and child absence. I also don't know why he is blaming lack of school nurse. I have worked in schools for 15 years and not one has ever had a nurse. The article is a perfect example of how out of touch Ofsted are.

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