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To think the Ofsted inspector who blames WFH parents for low attendance is probably just resentful?

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 14:28

The Chief Inspector of Ofsted is blaming parents who WFH for the demise of school attendance https://www.itv.com/news/2025-02-16/parents-working-from-home-makes-children-feel-school-is-optional-ofsted-head?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ULgukQnTsabNTlcJRBI4kVQsMYkhCPK_KA4lUAgVkxOocYfo3onmRNHU_aem_nuBknA_QEGgfA93CaTPagg. Apparently none of us want to take our slippers off so we let our kids stay at home while we work.

He makes some REALLY weird points like his overworked dad he didn’t see much as his inspiration to go to school. And also MPs making sure they spend weekends with their families is a bad work ethic.

I know MN is a good example of whenever WFH threads are brought up, non-WFHers come on dripping with resentment over WFH and implying WFHers don’t really work. AIBU to think this man - who has somehow been knighted - is basically doing that? I’m not sure how much inspecting he does now, but Ofsted inspectors aren’t any superior or harder working just because they spend a few days working away from home at a time (something BTW I’m expected to do, at least 1 overnight a month).

Also as someone from a household where 2 of us WFH, I can’t think of anything worse than having kids flapping around us while we try and work. I’m FT, and this week I’m off Weds-Fri, as is DH. my DD11 will be at home tomorrow with strict instructions to keep away unless there’s a serious emergency (she’s secondary and old enough to take care of herself) and at a friend’s on Tuesday. My DS is 8 and is going into a holiday club tomorrow and Tuesday as his neediness is unbearable. Both have somewhere between 97 and 99% attendance so far this academic year.

YABU - “He’s got a point”
YANBU - “He’s wrong/resentful”

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:20

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 14:53

What does it say that’s substantially different from the ITV article?

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cardibach · 16/02/2025 15:22

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 14:39

No because it’s behind a paywall

Does it have statistics to support this viewpoint?

Having googled the Times seem to have an exclusive relationship with this man whereby he goes to them making quite controversial statements. Interesting PR move

You said above that you had read it. You haven’t then?
I think pretty much everything said by a representative of OFSTED will be bollocks and the whole organisation should be dismantled forthwith, but have you or haven’t you read it all? And what exactly is he wrong about here?

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 16/02/2025 15:23

Someone should send him back to school to teach him that correlation is not the same as causation.

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:23

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:20

What does it say that’s substantially different from the ITV article?

Are we reading the same article?!

ok so given it’s your thread, how about you tell us what about the article pissed you off now that you’ve seen the cut and paste job was within a broader context where he identities other serious contributing factors including serious mental health challenges endured by some of our children, and links his comment around the change in work patterns with stats

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:25

Over and out
should have done that when I realised the op was the type to get frothing at the mouth on the basis of an abstract and actually start a thread about it WItHOUT reading said article 😆

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:27

Ankhmo · 16/02/2025 14:56

Archived 14 hours ago.

archive.ph/zwNPv

Ah @Ankhmo not all heroes wear capes!

So having read this - it hadn’t changed my mind.

Also why have people said there’s different statistics in this article than in the ITV article? There isn’t. And it most certainly hasn’t been taken out of context - the only difference is in the Times article he talks about the new traffic light report card, which ITV didn’t report in. The part about blaming WFH parents is lifted basically word for word.

Its still a man who seems to like controversy casting illogical and baseless theories around and seems really annoyed that people WFH in the first place.

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CleverButScatty · 16/02/2025 15:27

AnotherDayInParadise43 · 16/02/2025 14:54

He's off his rocker. I've worked from home for nearly 5 years, DC have 100% attendance. Can't think of anything I'd want less than to have them around while I'm trying to work it was bad enough during the pandemic. And I do way more work at home than in the office.

Not to mention the fact that a couple of generations ago most children had a SAHM (not saying that's a good thing, but it blows his argument out of the water).

anothernameanotherplanet · 16/02/2025 15:28

Probably right with some, wrong with others.

If I were WFH the last thing I’d want round would be my children! You’d get so little done, interruptions etc.

As a wild generalisation those pupils with the best attendance - teachers’s children. It’s so hard to get time off as a teacher and then catch up later.

Some OFSED inspectors have said some daft stuff to me when inspecting schools I was in. Sometimes they are a little detached from reality.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:28

Never2many · 16/02/2025 14:59

Apparently not. No because it’s behind a paywall bit of a contradiction there OP. you claim to have read the article, except you haven’t and have made up a viewpoint from a quote.

Maybe go and read the article first. And if you can’t read it then it’s a bit disingenuous to start a thread about something you know nothing about.

I have now. It hasn’t changed my mind. largely because it’s the same text and isn’t backed up by ANY sort of data

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:29

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:02

Take a read op

then see if you’re frothing with resentment

I’m not at all resentful, but I do think the Ofsted man is. He provides no basis for his views, it’s something he’s just thrown out there for an apparent reason. He also doesn’t give any solutions as to what WFH SHOULD do. Just makes assumptions based on footwear

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MrsPeregrine · 16/02/2025 15:30

Well I WFH and never keep my children off unless they are ill. Dropping them off at school in the morning is something I look forward to. Anyway, the inspector shouldn’t worry too much about people wfh because I’m pretty sure Reform will be getting in next time and will ban wfh just like Trump has.

Crinkle77 · 16/02/2025 15:32

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 14:33

Read the article
it is very measured and sensible
and you distort it with your title

His argument is nonsense.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:32

MoltenLasagne · 16/02/2025 15:02

The only evidence that the full article has is the stats on current absences which have increased significantly since Covid, and that working from home has also increased in correlation. It has absolutely no evidence that there is any causation apart from supposition.

Personally I think it's far more likely that long term impact of lockdowns are continuing to be seen in the absent rates, rather than it being significantly linked to where a parent works.

Bingo.

Unless there is hard data around parents who now WFH whose children have newly decreased attendance rates, it’s just a stab in the dark.

When actually there is data around the causes of children who are persistently absent. Except that data doesn’t really get to blame parents so perhaps hasn’t suited Martin’s new found role of Controversial Statement Maker

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Fae2222 · 16/02/2025 15:33

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:17

Ah I didn’t realise there was another thread, I did try and check!

My point was his deflection by creating interest around well trodden views ( cut teachers’ holidays, raise links with WFH) - not that there is another thread.

There isn't another thread about this, the other thread is about Sir Martyn suggesting that teachers need to teach for more than 190 days out of 365. Again, deflecting away from increasing criticism of OFSTED given the consultation on the proposed framework.

Perhaps you work for MO and OFSTED media @JandamiHash 😂. Promoting MO’s batshit deflections?

blueshoes · 16/02/2025 15:34

Crinkle77 · 16/02/2025 15:32

His argument is nonsense.

Agree 💯

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:34

WorkCleanRepeat · 16/02/2025 15:02

I agree.

I went back to the office full time 12 months ago and have definitely sent my kids to school this year on days I'd have kept them home when I was wfh.

I’d find it so stressful having to look after a sick child when working. Then again our rule is you have to be dead or have a limb falling off to stay off 🤣 my DS’s absence rate is entirely down to being sent home from school (every instance of which he’s been fine)

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TY78910 · 16/02/2025 15:36

I read the guardian article on this earlier. While I agree that attendance is bad and the data around days etc and a culture shift, I don't believe parents would want their kids around while WFH 😂 if anything, they would find them distracting.

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:36

Just to quote

**Oliver said several other factors were also affecting attendance, including poor mental health, such as anxiety and depression,and a lack of funding for services such as school nurses and child psychologists, as well as difficulties luring children away from their screens.

Official figures show a fifth of primary school children are now persistently absent, missing at least one day a fortnight
GETTY IMAGES
He said: “In lockdown we said to children, ‘Stay at home to be educated, go online’. Then we said, ‘Come in for your education, don’t go online, don’t go on your phone’. You can understand that was quite confusing for children going through their formative years. Nurseries, schools, colleges have worked really hard to get over that and we are seeing great successes but there’s more than can be done.”
**

SardineJam · 16/02/2025 15:36

I have WFH for many years, and my two kids have really great attendance records. I couldn't have them at home with me as it would impact on my productivity

Fae2222 · 16/02/2025 15:37

SwanOfThoseThings · 16/02/2025 15:19

I don't know what happens now but 30 years ago Ofsted inspectors worked from home when not actually on an inspection, long before Wfh was common. We had one in the family (long since retired).

They still do IME.

Pattern is usually, prep and phone call with school leaders, Monday, from home, inspect Tuesday & Wednesday in school, write report at home and submit to OFSTED Friday.

BoysRule · 16/02/2025 15:37

This article has made me very angry as it's incredibly misleading. There is no evidence of a link between wfh and school absence, just that they are happening at the same time.

It is entirely his opinion and he cannot possibly understand the many complex reasons behind school absence. The fact that The Times has put it on the front page means this will get more weight as an opinion than it deserves.

The reason for increased absence is school's inability to provide the correct environment for a growing number of children with needs. Schools are putting in all possible adaptations but we cannot change the environment - class sizes, corridors, sensory overwhelm - our outdated schools are not suitable environments for many children.

But that would involve investment and an overhaul of the education system so it's easier to blame wfh.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:37

noctilucentcloud · 16/02/2025 15:04

The number of pupils not attending 10% or more of sessions (ie missing at least one day per fortnight) has approximately doubled since covid (~10 % before 2020, ~ 20% in 2024). So there is obviously something going on, and quite possibly related to covid and things associated with that (eg working/studying from home, lockdown, mental health, increased medical waiting lists etc). I suspect there's more than one issue at play, but I think work from home /hybrid working is a big change and it's reasonable to hypothesise that might be a cause. He's also not saying it'll be an issue from everyone who works from home, or even a majority, but for some it may be. But 20 % missing more than 10 % is a lot and as a society we should be aiming to reduce this. Understanding why is often the first step.

I personally think that we underestimate how much lockdown traumatised children. Many of us said it on MN at the time, and I’m not surprised it took so long for kids to get back in the swing of things or that some still haven’t even got there. But isn’t the obvious educated guess “lockdown fucked things” rather than “more parents WFH so that must be the problem”

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BustopherPonsonbyJones · 16/02/2025 15:40

JustMyView13 · 16/02/2025 15:03

It’s probably got more to do with schools closing over Covid, kids being abandoned in a lot of cases (from an education standpoint), schools closing on strike days.

Marketing the importance of attending school is somewhat undermined when the schools themselves seemingly close ‘when it suits’.

All of which was completely needed to keep teachers (who were not considered to be priority for vaccines) safe from a Covid in the same way that other working people were kept safe (often WFH) of course! It is important to keep stating that teachers didn’t get a lot of ‘consideration’, unlike most of the population.

So basically ‘when it suits’ = to keep teachers safe (even if this wasn’t as long as most people were sitting at home) OR to gain fairer pay and conditions.

Don’t bash teachers for this. We aren’t responsible for every problem in society.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:41

Budgiegirlbob · 16/02/2025 15:10

Whether or not the comments are odd (and I don’t particularly think they are), I really can’t see why you’d call them resentful

Really? He’s annoyed MPs - many of whom have families themselves - want to get home for the weekend on time and makes a strange barb about slippers. I WFH and don’t put slippers on ever

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ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 16/02/2025 15:42

Moltenpink · 16/02/2025 14:40

Well, I am more lenient on letting my kids stay home sick, since I’ve been able to wfh and not lose a day’s pay. They’ve been off with a stomach ache and heavy cold this year, previously it might have been a dose of calpol & see how they get on in school

I was just thinking that. No longer have a school aged child, but when I did they were more likely to get a day off sick on my non-working day than if I had a meeting, so I guess it would have been the same if WFH. OTOH I would have been aware when DS considered attendance at 6th form to be optional and I only found out at parents meeting.