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To think the Ofsted inspector who blames WFH parents for low attendance is probably just resentful?

362 replies

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 14:28

The Chief Inspector of Ofsted is blaming parents who WFH for the demise of school attendance https://www.itv.com/news/2025-02-16/parents-working-from-home-makes-children-feel-school-is-optional-ofsted-head?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ULgukQnTsabNTlcJRBI4kVQsMYkhCPK_KA4lUAgVkxOocYfo3onmRNHU_aem_nuBknA_QEGgfA93CaTPagg. Apparently none of us want to take our slippers off so we let our kids stay at home while we work.

He makes some REALLY weird points like his overworked dad he didn’t see much as his inspiration to go to school. And also MPs making sure they spend weekends with their families is a bad work ethic.

I know MN is a good example of whenever WFH threads are brought up, non-WFHers come on dripping with resentment over WFH and implying WFHers don’t really work. AIBU to think this man - who has somehow been knighted - is basically doing that? I’m not sure how much inspecting he does now, but Ofsted inspectors aren’t any superior or harder working just because they spend a few days working away from home at a time (something BTW I’m expected to do, at least 1 overnight a month).

Also as someone from a household where 2 of us WFH, I can’t think of anything worse than having kids flapping around us while we try and work. I’m FT, and this week I’m off Weds-Fri, as is DH. my DD11 will be at home tomorrow with strict instructions to keep away unless there’s a serious emergency (she’s secondary and old enough to take care of herself) and at a friend’s on Tuesday. My DS is 8 and is going into a holiday club tomorrow and Tuesday as his neediness is unbearable. Both have somewhere between 97 and 99% attendance so far this academic year.

YABU - “He’s got a point”
YANBU - “He’s wrong/resentful”

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AsFunAsEnglishWeather · 16/02/2025 15:05

Ankhmo · 16/02/2025 15:03

I've read the article and I think the blokes talking out his arse.

This. It's perfectly possible to work from home and still be strict on valuing education and making sure your children go in to school each day.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:07

budgiegirl · 16/02/2025 14:40

I think he may have a point, although it's just his opinion - I doubt there's any evidence to back up this up I would imagine, in some households, the fact that parents are working from home may make it harder for some children to get motivated to get out to school. And there will be some parents who are more likely to let their children stay off with a sniffle if they are at home anyway, and aren't having to worry too much about who will provide childcare.

Whether he's right or wrong, I've no idea why you think he's resentful.

These comments mostly:

I think developing good social habits of getting up in the morning, putting your shoes on instead of your slippers,

I look at Westminster (where Ofsted is based) and I see the place clearing out on a Thursday night very often. Again, is there something in that?

Odd comments for a senior figure to make

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Hazel665 · 16/02/2025 15:07

I think it's more likely to be because these kids 'worked from home' themselves for the best part of 2 years, so they don't see why it's not okay to do that now. And in some cases, I agree with them. Turning up to an old-fashioned didactic classroom as per the last few hundreds of years or more may not necessarily be best for everyone.

YearsofYears · 16/02/2025 15:08

I work from home twice a week and a main purpose of this is so I bring my kids to school!

Budgiegirlbob · 16/02/2025 15:10

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:07

These comments mostly:

I think developing good social habits of getting up in the morning, putting your shoes on instead of your slippers,

I look at Westminster (where Ofsted is based) and I see the place clearing out on a Thursday night very often. Again, is there something in that?

Odd comments for a senior figure to make

Whether or not the comments are odd (and I don’t particularly think they are), I really can’t see why you’d call them resentful

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:10

StripyHorse · 16/02/2025 14:40

I think there will be a VERY small increase in children staying off when parents WFH, and they will be the children who should be off.

It is not unheard of for children to be sent in to school when they are ill and shouldn't be there - for example children who reveal they were sick that morning but mummy and daddy have to work. If parents can keep their child off in those circumstances- great!

I do think the pandemic changed things. Nobody asked for children to be off school for six months and then on and off for another year, it was forced on us all and we had to middle through as best we could. Except for a few kids, they all got a substandard education during lockdown.

But schools, Ofsted and leaders expected children, some very small, to snap back to the mindset, attitude and priorities they had 18 months earlier. And then act all confused when not every child just slipped back into normal schooling.

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Ankhmo · 16/02/2025 15:11

He's basically saying..
"When I were a lad, me dad got up half an hour before he went to bed. He made us lick road clean before putting our cardboard shoes on"

This was back in the 70s and 80s as the man is 52.

Reacting to the national absence stat going up without looking into why, is dim.

Saying people just want to stay at home and not put their shoes on, labels parents as lazy.
It could be that the awareness of viruses is higher now and parents worry more about long term exposure to chest infections and the like. It could be that they don't want their I'll child to spread it to their classmates.. classes are a lot bigger now than they were, its not just 1 kid infecting 20.. it's 1 kid infecting 30 or more.
It could be that parents have more knowledge of such things these days than back in the 70s
It could be that some kids have mental problems, that they hate school and they hate teachers and would happily murder them... So the parents keep them off hoping to get mental health support, but that never comes due to cuts..

It could be any one of a thousand and 17 reasons..

But no.. old man blames it on things not being how it used to be...

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:12

ilovesooty · 16/02/2025 14:44

Why would people do that if you haven't read it?

Because I’m assuming the Sunday Times article has some smoking gun that ITV didn’t cover?

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Treesandsheepeverywhere · 16/02/2025 15:13

I can’t think of anything worse than having kids flapping around us while we try and work.

You are one of those who have a plan in place and make it work between you and your DH.

There are some who wfh with no childcare in place.

There have been numerous threads of people wfh with toddlers and babies to look after.

Some who brag about not doing much, logging on and snoozing through meetings, doing the school runs, chores, etc whilst pretending to be working.

Not all productivity is/can be tracked and some people do take liberties.

So although it maybe jealousy from some,
it's not surprising that companies are calling people back in.

If wfh is more productive, companies would stick with it.

Unfortunately it's the few lazy ones who spoil it for everyone.

okydokethen · 16/02/2025 15:14

My friend keeps her children home often on her WFH day, she finds it hard to say no when they are tired, although school have noticed a pattern in their days off.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:14

2024YR4 · 16/02/2025 14:44

Perhaps parents who WFH or are SAHP are just able to keep their dc off when necessary rather than sending ill children to school? Looking at some schools info sheets on when to send dc in it seems they want them in when not well at all. Maybe the focus needs to be on why schools have these ridiculous targets and expectations for children to be in unwell (when they won’t be receptive to learning anyway ?)

I agree with you - I feel like schools are being pressured to see numbers not humans.

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MumTeacherofMany · 16/02/2025 15:15

Children with lower attendance tend to have parents who wfh or do not work. I would say he was stating facts OP.

BitOutOfPractice · 16/02/2025 15:15

You know that not everyone who works outside the home is a seething mass of resentment at those who wfh don’t you? I couldn’t do it now for all the tea in China, and I speak as someone who did it for 20 years. I would find it unremittingly depressing do y’know, you do you and don’t assume everyone is the same as you.

REDB99 · 16/02/2025 15:15

Moltenpink · 16/02/2025 14:40

Well, I am more lenient on letting my kids stay home sick, since I’ve been able to wfh and not lose a day’s pay. They’ve been off with a stomach ache and heavy cold this year, previously it might have been a dose of calpol & see how they get on in school

But why don’t you still give them calpol and send them in? If you managed that before but now let them stay off then you’re using your WFH to enable your kids to be off school. If they’re too ill then of course they should be off but you’ve stated that you would have sent them in previously but now don’t as you WFH. Hence, people think that that an increase in WFH has led to an increase in school absence, you’ve just proved the link in your case.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:15

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 14:45

Exactly
you’d think you would do this before getting resentful and starting a thread

Does the Sunday times article having anything compelling such as statistics to back this up?

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:16

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 14:45

Yes as clarified, it does

Edited

What do they say?

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:17

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 14:49

You would like me to provide you with information from the article you haven’t bothered to read (that I have) about the bits you think you might feel resentful about?

No just seeking your opinion on why this man is right

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:17

Fae2222 · 16/02/2025 14:50

Yes exactly it’s really just a batshit theory from someone who really should have engaged his PR & comms team.

As I mentioned on another thread I think he/his media team are creating stories to deflect from the criticism of the proposed new OFSTED framework ( rushed, no research, not addressing key issues).

He is turning the focus away from OFSTED and on to parents (and teachers - proposing cutting school holidays).

Ah I didn’t realise there was another thread, I did try and check!

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BitOutOfPractice · 16/02/2025 15:18

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 16/02/2025 15:13

I can’t think of anything worse than having kids flapping around us while we try and work.

You are one of those who have a plan in place and make it work between you and your DH.

There are some who wfh with no childcare in place.

There have been numerous threads of people wfh with toddlers and babies to look after.

Some who brag about not doing much, logging on and snoozing through meetings, doing the school runs, chores, etc whilst pretending to be working.

Not all productivity is/can be tracked and some people do take liberties.

So although it maybe jealousy from some,
it's not surprising that companies are calling people back in.

If wfh is more productive, companies would stick with it.

Unfortunately it's the few lazy ones who spoil it for everyone.

There must be three threads a day on mn full of WFH-ers frantically telling us how much more productive they are at home 🤔

Treeinthesky · 16/02/2025 15:18

Tbh they are prob right. My dd if she says she is unwell I am more receptive to her having a day of than I used to be when I went to the office. Before they went to school even when they were poorly

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:19

ClareBlue · 16/02/2025 14:51

So you haven't actually read the article and you post this with your illinformed opinion. Why would you actually do that. He does use evidence base and he is making a valid point that a culture of not leaving the home from adults can effect some children not wanting to leave the home for school. He doesn't say all parents WFH are permitting non attendance. He's talking about a societal change that has had some possible unintended consequences. It's a reasonable debate to instigate. He uses the example of his dad leaving the house as a motivation for him as a child. Not weird, not strange, just pointing out things as he is seeing them and opening up a discussion.

I have posted an article and I’m still waiting to hear how ITV took his comments out of context

hats his evidence base?

And TBH it’s still just his opinion. Not all opinions are equally valid.

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Crazycatlady79 · 16/02/2025 15:19

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 14:28

The Chief Inspector of Ofsted is blaming parents who WFH for the demise of school attendance https://www.itv.com/news/2025-02-16/parents-working-from-home-makes-children-feel-school-is-optional-ofsted-head?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ULgukQnTsabNTlcJRBI4kVQsMYkhCPK_KA4lUAgVkxOocYfo3onmRNHU_aem_nuBknA_QEGgfA93CaTPagg. Apparently none of us want to take our slippers off so we let our kids stay at home while we work.

He makes some REALLY weird points like his overworked dad he didn’t see much as his inspiration to go to school. And also MPs making sure they spend weekends with their families is a bad work ethic.

I know MN is a good example of whenever WFH threads are brought up, non-WFHers come on dripping with resentment over WFH and implying WFHers don’t really work. AIBU to think this man - who has somehow been knighted - is basically doing that? I’m not sure how much inspecting he does now, but Ofsted inspectors aren’t any superior or harder working just because they spend a few days working away from home at a time (something BTW I’m expected to do, at least 1 overnight a month).

Also as someone from a household where 2 of us WFH, I can’t think of anything worse than having kids flapping around us while we try and work. I’m FT, and this week I’m off Weds-Fri, as is DH. my DD11 will be at home tomorrow with strict instructions to keep away unless there’s a serious emergency (she’s secondary and old enough to take care of herself) and at a friend’s on Tuesday. My DS is 8 and is going into a holiday club tomorrow and Tuesday as his neediness is unbearable. Both have somewhere between 97 and 99% attendance so far this academic year.

YABU - “He’s got a point”
YANBU - “He’s wrong/resentful”

It was SO much easier for children back in the day when WFH wasn't a thing, as their parents' thinly veiled contempt for them was masked by said caregivers fucking off to the office.

blueshoes · 16/02/2025 15:19

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:07

These comments mostly:

I think developing good social habits of getting up in the morning, putting your shoes on instead of your slippers,

I look at Westminster (where Ofsted is based) and I see the place clearing out on a Thursday night very often. Again, is there something in that?

Odd comments for a senior figure to make

Agreed.

Baseless speculation from a so-called senior figure extrapolating from anecdote in a totally unevidenced way.

Unbecoming and woefully uneducated stance from a senior figure in Ofsted.

It follows from how the box-ticking Osted extrapolates a school's performance from arbitrary pieces of evidence whilst wilfully turning a blind eye to the full picture.

SwanOfThoseThings · 16/02/2025 15:19

I don't know what happens now but 30 years ago Ofsted inspectors worked from home when not actually on an inspection, long before Wfh was common. We had one in the family (long since retired).

YearsofYears · 16/02/2025 15:19

They've also just latched on to this to make it actively look like they're doing something to improve educational standards for children but nothing is being done. Schools are underfunded and there's a lack of teachers.