Are these remarks inappropriate

[Lou972]

I attended an adult first aid course. The instructor made these remarks when discussing the defib.

1. Cut off a womens bra as it might have metal. If you're like me though, I've been told I'm useless at removing womens bras and they tell me 'get away from me'
2. Find the correct spot for the defib pads (then showed us where to put them) then said 'if a womans breasts are low then move them out the way'
3. Do not touch the persons bum when putting them into recovery position, this is sexual harassment
4. Shave a mans chest if it is hairy before using the defib, or it might be needed for a womans chest if you come from where I live

Some of the learners where age 17 as well so not adults

Btw this wasn't a course for work, it was one I had paid for

1, 3 and 4 inappropriate and unnecessary. 2 true.

The first and fourth comments are clumsy and inappropriate, but I'd likely consider them tongue in cheek comments. I do understand where you're coming from though. The second - well, this is actually not far off the mark - it's quite possible that a woman's breasts would be in the way. The third, you would usually use the person's leg anyway, rather than bum. Given the possibility of being accused of anything though, this is perhaps simply cautionary, albeit clumsily done.

Ha ha. So nice when there’s a bit of humour!

Yes true about moving the breasts now you have said it

His whole attitude is very outdated and inappropriate imo. Not to sound like a ‘Karan’ or whatever but I’d complain/report depending on who provided the training, it could make some people feel uncomfortable and is generally not acceptable. Especially if theres young people in the class.

1 & 4 unnecessary really but would make me roll my eyes rather than anything.
2 - well yes, you might need to.
3 - hmmm, seems a clumsy way to point out that you do need to be aware where you're touching someone and if it's necessary to touch there because although it might be perfectly innocent, it can be perceived as differently by other people.

Overall I don't think it's anything other than someone trying to get a laugh but missing the mark.

2 and 3 are both correct, there's nothing wrong with that. 1 and 4 are just slightly badly aimed humour.

There is no such thing as a Karen. There are misogynistic people though and there are women who don't take any shit. Sometimes the two of them meet and that's when the word gets used.

I am slightly baffled that anyone would have the necessary equipment and/or the time to shave someone's chest before they die, if they're in cardiac arrest !

The pads won't stick if there's too much hair, so you have to shave or the machine won't work. 30 seconds to clear a patch could save a life!

And we keep razors in the defib bag in case they are needed.

I appreciate that but, for instance, we have a defibrillator at work. If a hairy-chested man needed it, by the time we'd found a razor he'd be dead. If it's that important they should pack a razor and shaving cream with the machine !

We were told to say very loudly when cutting the clothes what we were doing and why so nobody could be mistaken. I imagine the remarks were poor humour especially the hairy chest one, but I guess it is possible someone at some point may have commented on the bra removal although I would assume a bystander not the patient

We learn new things everyday, well if anything happens I'll check the defib box for a razor. Don't remember seeing one but never looked closely before.

You really should suggest that to your H&S person at work.

They do pack a razor in the defib box generally. If not, you can use one of the spare pads as a waxing strip.

Very inappropriate and unprofessional. I would be having a word with the course provider.

Tiresome@AubernFable....very tiresome.

Someone fancies themselves as a 1970s style comedian. I couldn’t get worked up about it though.

Not something to get worked up about

That's clever ! Wouldn't have thought of it in an emergency but now I will, thanks.

I suspect this was his attempt at humour, although I don't think it warrants getting worked up over.

Sounds like the kind of first aid courses I attended in the eighties. I thought this had died out, obviously not.

Just someone trying to be humorous. A bit outdated humour but I really wouldn’t report this.