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Couple held in Iran

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StrawDonkey · 15/02/2025 16:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626p6pz7xlo

AIBU to not understand why anyone would go on a motorcycle trip to Iran? Advice is not to go there at all but I can understand that someone desperate to see family would take a risk.

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SchoolDilemma17 · 19/02/2025 16:40

potatopaws · 19/02/2025 16:22

Aren’t there photos of them meeting the british ambassador in Iran? I’m sure I saw one.

Yes they have. The photo has been released

SchoolDilemma17 · 19/02/2025 16:48

Can’t edit my pp so here is the link

https://www.newarab.com/news/uk-ambassador-meets-two-britons-detained-iran

The report late Wednesday said Ambassador Hugo Shorter met the two in the southern Iranian city of Kerman and in the presence of officials from the justice department and the governor's office.
The report neither identifies them nor elaborates on the time or place of their detention, though it calls them "suspects," suggesting they have not been sentenced and were possibly detained in recent weeks.
IRNA published two images that showed the two sitting opposite the ambassador at a meeting table.
"We are providing consular assistance to two British Nationals detained in Iran and are in contact with the local authorities," a spokesperson of the UK's Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office, or FCDO, said in a statement to The Associated Press.

Developedanillness · 19/02/2025 18:02

SchoolDilemma17 · 19/02/2025 16:48

Can’t edit my pp so here is the link

https://www.newarab.com/news/uk-ambassador-meets-two-britons-detained-iran

The report late Wednesday said Ambassador Hugo Shorter met the two in the southern Iranian city of Kerman and in the presence of officials from the justice department and the governor's office.
The report neither identifies them nor elaborates on the time or place of their detention, though it calls them "suspects," suggesting they have not been sentenced and were possibly detained in recent weeks.
IRNA published two images that showed the two sitting opposite the ambassador at a meeting table.
"We are providing consular assistance to two British Nationals detained in Iran and are in contact with the local authorities," a spokesperson of the UK's Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office, or FCDO, said in a statement to The Associated Press.

Interesting that they were there together, I had horrible thoughts of them being separated and not seeing or hearing about the other for the next half decade.

cakeorwine · 19/02/2025 18:40

I listen to a podcast called Cautionary Tales

https://timharford.com/articles/cautionarytales/

It's about people and incidents where mistakes happen, human psychology makes mistakes more likely and what people can learn from them.

I am sure this would be a Cautionary Tale. Especially with the psychology of what they hoped to get from this trip and how people can read warning information but not think it would happen to them.

SchoolDilemma17 · 19/02/2025 19:45

Developedanillness · 19/02/2025 18:02

Interesting that they were there together, I had horrible thoughts of them being separated and not seeing or hearing about the other for the next half decade.

I would assume they’re separated in jail. The American hikers (1 woman, 2 men) were separated.

Realistically I think we are looking at least at 1-2 years here. Nothing ever moved fast with foreign prisoners in the past.

My friend is a good friend of an Austrian national and her dual citizenship father was imprisoned in Iran at age 72 and not released for 3 or more years despite suffering from ill health.

Arcticrival · 19/02/2025 20:12

SchoolDilemma17 · 19/02/2025 19:45

I would assume they’re separated in jail. The American hikers (1 woman, 2 men) were separated.

Realistically I think we are looking at least at 1-2 years here. Nothing ever moved fast with foreign prisoners in the past.

My friend is a good friend of an Austrian national and her dual citizenship father was imprisoned in Iran at age 72 and not released for 3 or more years despite suffering from ill health.

Totally agree with you. They certainly wont be together in prison.

Also agree they are likely to be imprisoned for years if not hanged. Many foreigners arrested on suspicion of spying have been given years in prison just for being foreign. No real evidence.

This couple have given the irgc full evidence of spying in the form of interviewing locals ,gathering data uploading such info to social media. Saying they are going to present the evidence at a conference in Australia etc.

Of course to us this is just no big deal. But to the Iranians it IS evidence of spying.

I fear their chances of survival.

Developedanillness · 19/02/2025 20:32

No I didn't think they'd ever be in the same prison but at least the meeting had them together. I can't stop thinking about them, such stupidity but omg it's grim

SchoolDilemma17 · 19/02/2025 20:36

They won’t be killed, the regime needs them as bargaining chips. They will get something big out of the UK for these two!

ImmediateReaction · 19/02/2025 20:36

Arcticrival · 19/02/2025 20:12

Totally agree with you. They certainly wont be together in prison.

Also agree they are likely to be imprisoned for years if not hanged. Many foreigners arrested on suspicion of spying have been given years in prison just for being foreign. No real evidence.

This couple have given the irgc full evidence of spying in the form of interviewing locals ,gathering data uploading such info to social media. Saying they are going to present the evidence at a conference in Australia etc.

Of course to us this is just no big deal. But to the Iranians it IS evidence of spying.

I fear their chances of survival.

Hopefully they will be fine since kept as a bargaining chip. Many others have been released

fashionqueen0123 · 19/02/2025 22:44

Arcticrival · 19/02/2025 12:17

The FCDO guidance is clear that being held in an Iranian prison is EXACTLY what is likely to happen if people travel against advice and go to Iran.

Horrendous situation of course, but this could all have been easily avoided if they hadn't been so arrogant and thought the advice/rules/guidance didn't apply to them.

Was reading last night about 3 French teachers who have been held for 3 or so years now, also on charges of spying.

I was reading about a French couple still stuck there earlier too. Not sure if it’s the same ones you heard about. There was also a NZ couple who were released after a few months. There’s loads of people we don’t hear about who have been jailed there.

This article is a good read

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/16/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-anoosheh-ashoori-iran-evin-prison

IanthePug · 19/02/2025 22:49

IkeaJesusChrist · 15/02/2025 17:21

No sympathy, they're a pair of idiots.

Goodness me, people are just horrible these days, and so quick to crow about awful things happening to others and to almost enjoy blaming… I am glad to still have compassion and humanity.

murasaki · 19/02/2025 23:10

It's not an awful thing that happened to them. It's a thing they brought on themselves by undertaking patronising research in country they were told not to go to and endangering its citizens by doing so. While smirking on social media. I feel more sorry for anyone they spoke to who is now probably in trouble.

Hortus · 19/02/2025 23:13

IanthePug · 19/02/2025 22:49

Goodness me, people are just horrible these days, and so quick to crow about awful things happening to others and to almost enjoy blaming… I am glad to still have compassion and humanity.

Calmly stating you have no sympathy with this incredibly stupid couple is not "crowing" or "enjoying blaming".
The fact is there is no one else to blame but themselves, they decided to go against government and family advice to visit Iran.
Because of that, and the fact they deliberately chose to go there knowing what was likely to happen, it's unsurprising that few people have sympathy for them.
I have no sympathy for the couple at all but I feel sympathy for their family.

FiveBarGate · 19/02/2025 23:17

They expressed themselves that it's a risk they were willing to take.

That risk is 10 years in an Iranian prison. If they were okay with that, who are we to argue?!

I don't think they'll have the weight of public sympathy that Nazanin (with legitimate reason to be there and pre increased and well known tension) did.

That is likely to influence how much the government is prepared to sacrifice to get them back. I think they'll pay a heavy price for their risk/benefit analysis.

Viviennemary · 19/02/2025 23:17

They are a silly pair of attention seekers. They did what they were advised strongly not to do. Now they are facing the consequences. I can't feel a lot of sympathy

Developedanillness · 19/02/2025 23:29

IanthePug · 19/02/2025 22:49

Goodness me, people are just horrible these days, and so quick to crow about awful things happening to others and to almost enjoy blaming… I am glad to still have compassion and humanity.

Oh don't be so insufferably smug. They brought this entirely upon themselves, entirely. I still hope they are released sooner rather than later of course and that they're treated humanely but people who play stupid games and all that...

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 19/02/2025 23:48

IanthePug · 19/02/2025 22:49

Goodness me, people are just horrible these days, and so quick to crow about awful things happening to others and to almost enjoy blaming… I am glad to still have compassion and humanity.

Good for you. You are an exemplary human being whose heights the rest of us can only aspire to 🙄.

Westfacing · 20/02/2025 07:44

Also agree they are likely to be imprisoned for years if not hanged.

Oh give over - they will not be hanged!

IWouldBeATerribleMayor · 20/02/2025 07:51

@Westfacing Iran sadly executes many foreigners and dual nationals. Including women. Some for espionage. You can look it up by googling Iran Human Rights. I won't link because it's pretty grim.

I really fear for them. I have expressed my frustration with their stupidity on this thread often enough but I feel real fear at what they might be facing.

Westfacing · 20/02/2025 07:54

IWouldBeATerribleMayor · 20/02/2025 07:51

@Westfacing Iran sadly executes many foreigners and dual nationals. Including women. Some for espionage. You can look it up by googling Iran Human Rights. I won't link because it's pretty grim.

I really fear for them. I have expressed my frustration with their stupidity on this thread often enough but I feel real fear at what they might be facing.

When did Iran last execute a Westerner who was not a dual-national?

Catlover1705 · 20/02/2025 08:13

They'll make loads of money selling their story until we're sick of the sight of them.

BigBlueRhino · 20/02/2025 09:55

Yes they have been naive and stupid but my heart goes out to them . It must be an absolutely terrifying situation to be in for them and their families. No matter how foolish they have been they don't deserve this .

sashh · 20/02/2025 13:21

DeepFatFried · 19/02/2025 10:37

I feel very sorry for every innocent person incarcerated in the jails of despotic non-democracies. Horrendous.

And they may be there for years.

Iran is so politically charged now, not just the internal regime of their Islamic republic, but a glance over the World News pages over the last year shows what a tinderbox the whole region is. And therefore how knife edge the relationship with the West.

Their trip seems to have made them easy to identify and grab. They are hostages. Collateral. A ‘just in case’ card held by Iran.

As such I am frustrated that people, at this time, not only put themselves at risk but actually added to the risk of UK security - albeit in a small way. But they are hostages and will likely be used as such.

Against the UK, a country they left in 2019 for ‘a better quality of life’.

On a separate note, I find the whole premise distasteful. That they ‘discover’ that oh, how surprising, people in these other countries are actually lovely! The educated, cultured Iranians have a long long history of literature, poetry and art that enables them to illuminate themselves, thank you very much. They don’t need a Western traveller to validate them. It’s all a bit Colonial and Noble Savage. And patronising.

Why shouldn’t a Mullah be a kind and well mannered hospitable person? Especially in a hospitable culture? Unless you have the view that all Muslims are evil? Imagine an ‘oh wow, how polite was a Cotswolds vicar, AMAZING!’ post by an American tourist…

None of that makes it ok for them or any person to be captured and held hostage / ill treated. They must be terrified. Alongside every innocent person held by regimes where human rights are not recognised.

Sadly, horribly for them, because their currency is high as bargaining chips, I don’t feel optimistic about diplomatic negotiations to free them.

But I hope I am wrong

Edited

Well said.

Iran has a large population of younger people. One consequence of the revolution was that parents who did not want their daughters mixing with males were now able to send their daughters to female only courses at university.

Arraminta · 20/02/2025 14:08

Catlover1705 · 20/02/2025 08:13

They'll make loads of money selling their story until we're sick of the sight of them.

Oh no, please for the love of God! No!