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What does my friend want? I can't work it out.

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Aquamarinescarf · 12/02/2025 10:57

I have a friend whom I've known and stayed in touch with ever since school days. We're now in our early 60s. For many years it was one of those friendships where we spoke on the phone three or four times a year and met up if we were in the area on holiday or business (we live 300 miles apart). Then four years ago her mum died and I went to the funeral and for 18 months or so after that she leaned on me very heavily — long, sad phone calls, asking for support and practical help which I supplied when I could. After that things tailed off: I'd phone or message her every few weeks or so, she'd sometimes respond, sometimes ignore the contact. I got the message — she'd moved on and we were back to where we used to be.

In January she contacted me to say she'd booked a week's leave in mid-March and we hadn't seen anything of each other for ages, so how about a few days away? She has two dogs now, so ideally we'd be looking for a holiday cottage somewhere equidistant from our homes with separate bathrooms (she has a thing about not sharing a bathroom) and an enclosed garden where the dogs could go out safely for a pee. Whenever we've stayed anywhere in the past, we've always gone 50:50 on costs.

She sent me a link to a really swish Cotswold barn conversion that costs £330 a night — so four nights for the two of us was more than £1300. I called her and explained that £650+ for four nights self-catering was a bit rich for me at the moment. I already had several commitments this year, including three weeks in the US where my nephew is getting married in September. I said I'd prefer it if we could find something a bit cheaper. I sent her details of four holiday cottages that appeared to meet her requirements, all of them stylish and modern. Some of them were half the price of the one she'd suggested. In the last month I've found a few more. She's said she'll look at them several times, but gives me no feedback. Now we're a month away from the dates she's booked for her leave and several of these cottages are out of the running because they've been booked by other people. I spoke to her at the weekend and it was clear she hasn't checked out any I've suggested. She promised to look through them and do some more research to see if there's anywhere more suitable but hasn't come back to me.

I'm guessing that she wanted the expensive place in the Cotswolds and that nothing else will do. AIBU to ask for a compromise on this? What is she telling me without telling me?

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Idontjetwashthefucker · 13/02/2025 19:25

fingerbobz · 13/02/2025 18:52

Awwwh OP. She's lonely!

Can you find the £650 for the lovely cottage?

Im sure you will end up spending £400 anyhow

🙄

Freud2 · 13/02/2025 19:28

Give her a time limit for a decision. Say that other people have asked you to functions so you need to know quickly. If she doesn't get back to you then ignore her!

TheTavern · 13/02/2025 19:35

She strikes me as being a bit self-centred and maybe used to getting her own way. A few days away for both of you but on her terms.
A true friend would understand if something was out of your price range and quickly find something less expensive.

Mary46 · 13/02/2025 19:38

Op that sounds like my mum her way or nothing. If she didnt reply I would let it be.. dont mention it

AnotherDayinTime · 13/02/2025 19:42

This is not a friendship, it is long distance friendly communication, escapism, mental support. Don't go. No valid reason to holiday with her and her dog. Spend valuable time with the people you actually live

Dogsbreath7 · 13/02/2025 19:47

It’s a bit much to spend 4 days 24/7 with someone that you are not close to.

Aquamarinescarf · 13/02/2025 21:07

Really? I was quite looking forward to exploring an area of the country I don't know very well. A National Trust property one day, maybe. Walking the dogs along the Cotswold Way and finding somewhere for a lovely lunch. Cooking together, taking a look in some posh shops, that sort of thing. I've known her for 50 years. Her kids grew up with my son. We holidayed together most years when they were growing up. She supported me when my husband died. I supported her when she divorced. Lots of good memories. Until she moved so far away to help look after her mum we saw each other regularly. I would say that we're still friends and that 4 nights and three days (arrive after 4pm on Monday, depart before 10am Friday) will fly by.

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croydon15 · 13/02/2025 21:19

I don't think you're unreasonable, it's a big expense for 4 nights, you have other expenses to consider, you have suggested alternative accommodations it's now up to her to get back to you.

Frostywinterwoods · 13/02/2025 21:41

Aquamarinescarf · 12/02/2025 10:57

I have a friend whom I've known and stayed in touch with ever since school days. We're now in our early 60s. For many years it was one of those friendships where we spoke on the phone three or four times a year and met up if we were in the area on holiday or business (we live 300 miles apart). Then four years ago her mum died and I went to the funeral and for 18 months or so after that she leaned on me very heavily — long, sad phone calls, asking for support and practical help which I supplied when I could. After that things tailed off: I'd phone or message her every few weeks or so, she'd sometimes respond, sometimes ignore the contact. I got the message — she'd moved on and we were back to where we used to be.

In January she contacted me to say she'd booked a week's leave in mid-March and we hadn't seen anything of each other for ages, so how about a few days away? She has two dogs now, so ideally we'd be looking for a holiday cottage somewhere equidistant from our homes with separate bathrooms (she has a thing about not sharing a bathroom) and an enclosed garden where the dogs could go out safely for a pee. Whenever we've stayed anywhere in the past, we've always gone 50:50 on costs.

She sent me a link to a really swish Cotswold barn conversion that costs £330 a night — so four nights for the two of us was more than £1300. I called her and explained that £650+ for four nights self-catering was a bit rich for me at the moment. I already had several commitments this year, including three weeks in the US where my nephew is getting married in September. I said I'd prefer it if we could find something a bit cheaper. I sent her details of four holiday cottages that appeared to meet her requirements, all of them stylish and modern. Some of them were half the price of the one she'd suggested. In the last month I've found a few more. She's said she'll look at them several times, but gives me no feedback. Now we're a month away from the dates she's booked for her leave and several of these cottages are out of the running because they've been booked by other people. I spoke to her at the weekend and it was clear she hasn't checked out any I've suggested. She promised to look through them and do some more research to see if there's anywhere more suitable but hasn't come back to me.

I'm guessing that she wanted the expensive place in the Cotswolds and that nothing else will do. AIBU to ask for a compromise on this? What is she telling me without telling me?

How about you just say yes to it, but ask if she can pay more to it than you can. As you genuinely can't do it, due to other commitments you have this year.
I think it's A bit cruel comments on how she should be over it etc, everyone is different and everyone responds differently.

Death, grief, trauma, is exactly that it doesn't matter, if the death was expected, or lived long life.

PullTheBricksDown · 13/02/2025 21:47

heldinadream · 12/02/2025 11:16

OK friend it's getting too late to book anything on those dates now, so I'm going to assume we're not going.
It was a lovely idea but obviously not quite right for this slot.
Looking forward to chatting to you soon, hope you're well, Aqua.

This. Send this. Off the hook.

AnxiouslyAwaitingSpring · 13/02/2025 23:21

She sounds very child like. As though she's either sulking about not being able to go to the one she suggested or has decided that your refusal means that you don't really want to go and just used cost as an excuse.

Of course there is always the possibility that she originally wanted a trip away on her own, saw the place she suggested and decided she could only afford it if she gets someone else to come and pay half. Meaning she's possibly found someone else to go to that very place that particular week and that's why she's not pursuing the other places you suggested?

AnxiouslyAwaitingSpring · 13/02/2025 23:32

Sorry ignore my post above I hadn't seen the latest updates. Apologies, I'm new to Mumsnet 🫣

Beesandhoney123 · 13/02/2025 23:39

She wants to go to the one she has picked. She should pay a lot more than you because she wants her own bathroom and is bringing dogs.
She should suggest this.

You'll be spending one of those days cleaning mud out of the cottage. This lady has cleaners and dog walkers- she might not muck in.

Why don't you just invite her to your house instead? I'd call her and leave a message- hi, it's me, I can't afford x - do you want to do anything else with me or shall we postpone?

Is she going to be long distance away after your trip?

You sound happy to be needed. In the nicest possible way, this trip is going to be all about her. Does she know you have lovely days out planned? And cooking ?

Delphiniumandlupins · 14/02/2025 00:09

I think you were right to tell your friend you couldn't afford the expensive holiday but I wonder if her apathy is down to depression? She got herself excited about the fancy house but can't really be bothered to look at alternatives. Could you phone her once more, maybe offer to book cottage x or y (but don't give lots of choices)? Say that you need to decide in the next week and if she doesn't want to take a break with you this time you hope to spend time together soon. You sound like a good friend.

Choux · 14/02/2025 01:18

If she wanted to be away in a fancy expensive cottage on the anniversary of her mum's death making sure the cottage had 2 bathrooms and was suitable for her dogs then she is driving all the requirements. £330 a night is a lot for self catering. As you say you can get decent places for half that.

If she has inherited enough to retire, have a gardener and cleaner etc and really wanted to go to that place she could have offered to pay 75% of the cost as spending an extra £300 on the holiday she really wanted wouldn't impact her ability to live well for the rest of the year. But she didn't. So something else is going on. Possibly she feels like a spare part if friends (not just you) are busy and her diary is empty. And that can lead to depression, apathy etc.

Perhaps if the cottage is a no go you can spend a few days together at one of your houses and you can enjoy each other's company and clear up the cottage misunderstanding.

rookiemere · 14/02/2025 08:34

I feel some people are being a bit harsh on the friend. I don't understand why OP would lie and say she has something else booked for the period.

I would message rather than call so it's there in writing "Hi friend, have you decided what you want to do yet? It would be nice to meet up and have some time together. Do you want to call me at the weekend and let me know what you have decided?"

Chillibeds · 14/02/2025 08:57

OP, do not over spend on this.
If she wants an expensive spot, she pays.
Do not set a precedence like this.

If she doesn't get back, presume she has changed her mind.

Do not be manipulated like that.
You have x for a budget, the end.
Take it or leave it.

Aquamarinescarf · 14/02/2025 19:24

This morning we talked and she asked if she could come and stay here with me, so she wasn't at home on her mum's anniversary. I said yes and she said that would be wonderful and got quite tearful. She called just now and said she'd just realised that she was supposed to be doing a half-day training session for the charity's volunteers mid-week so couldn't come to me, but would I go down to hers instead. She lives in a lovely spot and she has a very nice spare room, so I'm going to go. I have absolutely no idea what's going on. She used to be much more organised than me and now she seems all over the place, even though she doesn't appear to have much going on in her life. I guess I'll have a better idea down the line.

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rookiemere · 15/02/2025 08:35

I'm glad you talked to her and have reached a solution.

It sounds like she is still struggling with her DMs death - although as you said this was a number of years ago, and not unexpected . You sound like a kind and considerate friend to be there for her.

Mycatsasuperstar · 15/02/2025 09:08

Honestly she's a crap friend and isn't worth investing time money or emotion or effort really. Cancel and do your own thing. Yes she's been through a lot but let's be honest will she be there for you if you needed her.

Aquamarinescarf · 15/02/2025 11:32

Mycatsasuperstar · 15/02/2025 09:08

Honestly she's a crap friend and isn't worth investing time money or emotion or effort really. Cancel and do your own thing. Yes she's been through a lot but let's be honest will she be there for you if you needed her.

Edited

That's a very transactional approach to relationships, it seems to me. We have a long hinterland. That must count for something? When we had young children we kept each other sane. When we returned FT to work in the 90s we looked after each other's kids if needed. Her young teens were here with me for a couple of months at one point, when she had an operation that didn't go to plan and was stuck in hospital for weeks. My son used to go skiing and on holiday with her family, particularly after my husband died. We have been good friends.

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Glitchymn1 · 15/02/2025 11:35

Does friend have someone else to go with? Is friend always this flakey? Leaving things til the last minute etc.
If neither of those then only the pricey place will do.

rookiemere · 15/02/2025 15:03

@Aquamarinescarf I wouldn't worry about recent posters, they seem to have not bothered to read your updates, it's a common problem.

Aquamarinescarf · 15/02/2025 15:43

Thanks. I'll leave it there.

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Problemzapper · 20/03/2025 11:00

Yes, as previously suggested, she may be hedging her bets by trying to find someone to go to the expensive location with her, keeping you on back burner in case she doesn't find anyone.

You should message her as follows;
"hi, I'm assuming none of the places I have found interest you as you haven't responded, so I guess we will have to forget about this trip now as time is pressing on and most places aren't available anymore.

Talk to you soon xx "

See if she bothers to respond to that or not, but it does sound as if you're not a priority friendship to her, so don't bother chasing her if she doesn't.

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