To think most of you don’t know Mumsnet are now requiring acceptance of cookie tracking or payment to use the site?

[OldChairMan]

… as MN have only posted in Site Stuff:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/5268190-introducing-pay-or-consent-on-mumsnet?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Many will click on “Read for free” without realising that this is a change in the site’s terms.

“Hello everyone.

We wanted to give you a heads-up about a change in the way we deal with cookie consent. We are introducing a Pay or Consent model, giving you two different options to continue accessing the site:

• Continue for free with cookies and ads: this is the option that most people have enabled already.
• Subscribe to Mumsnet Premium: For those who prefer an ad-free experience with no cookies/tracking for ad purposes - Besides ad-free you’ll also get first access to our product tests plus all revenues from Premium are put towards our campaigning work

Why are we making this change?

The pay or consent model is becoming increasingly common across online platforms as publishers adapt to changes in advertising levels and data privacy regulations. Like many other publishers, we relied on advertising to generate income but changes in tracking regulation and the growing use of ad blockers have made this model less viable.

We know that Mumsnet is an essential space for many - a place to seek advice, find support, and connect with your fellow Mumsnetters. That’s why we’re committed to ensuring that the site remains free at the point of use for anyone who needs it but it’s not fair that those who install ad blockers or rejected cookies are piggy backing on the back of other users who haven’t.

At the same time as introducing this, we’re going to reduce the price of Mumsnet Premium to £2.99 a month because we want to be fair to those who’d rather not accept advertising cookies. This is less than the cost of a flat white a month from most decent coffee shops and we very much hope you think Mumsnet’s worth it! Nb anyone who’s signed up to Mumsnet Premium already at the previous price (£4.99 per month) will have their payments reduced within the next week or so.

We’ll be here to answer any questions you may have. Thank you, as always, for supporting Mumsnet.”

OP, you are right. I never normally accept cookies - so that’s me out! At least I’ll be more productive now!

Sorry Tillow4ever I didn't mean to quote you, I was trying to quote another poster but it didn't work.

I think that is likely to be removed. I clicked “Accept” earlier but have just gone to Privacy and rejected all cookies. I’m still here. I am also using an ad blocker, but am still here.

If the popup appears again I’ll click Accept again and see if it resets my cookies to “accept all”.

My theory is that the current pop up is not transparent that “accept” means “accept cookies as well as ads” because it does not currently mean that. I imagine they will change it soon, when the policy they announced today is properly implemented.

I don’t actually care about being tracked, but I do care about transparency for other users who do.

I also care about how rude MN were in their announcement. If you create a site that doesn’t resist ad blockers it’s pretty rude to accuse people who use them of “piggybacking” unfairly, when you could just have said “sorry, we’re not going to allow this any more”.

Politeness costs nothing, you don’t need ad revenue to fund it!

Love MN but actually agree with the view that unlike many subscription sites, the user is the content creator. Therefore seems a bit disingenuous to give the option of charge or ads/cookies.

I'm out - greedy gets you nowhere

What's wrong with that should everyone stay silent until the next cock-up. This was involving children. They are charging you for the pleasure of going on an unmoderated site. That's why it should be spoken about.

Advertising funds lots of our media and media companies try and make a profit. Honestly don't give a fuck. Ignore it if you want to.

Laughable that they're rolling this out when they can't fix the constant issue that cause multiple users on a variety of O/S and browsers to end up with their whole screen freezing or even their device because of the sheer number of adverts on each page. Add to that the utter shit show of the Nightwatch being unpaid with no access to the info on threads being reported and the poor response to the CSA images.
There's 20+ production staff at Mumsnet as well as similar numbers of admin. One wonders exactly what all of them are doing. Certainly not updating the tech aspects

I do wonder how many of the people now talking MN down are new users who have reasons of their own. After the CSA images the other night it looks to me like there are a few people out there who really don't want MN to survive

I've probably had more 'MN calling' messages than most but the rudeness and arrogance from some posters has been disgraceful. The mods are far more tolerant than I would have been.

What happened was awful, shouldn't have happened. It's being fixed (or whatever). Nobody needs to stay if they don't want to.

That politeness-door swings both ways.

Most of those posting are familiar names.Some have been here decades under the same name so this seems quite an odd thing to wonder?

They are not providing the services they should. Would you pay to trauma yourself on an unmoderated website? You should be able to go on it whenever you like knowing there are people working behind the scenes. Why does Mumsnet need volunteer's for the night shift they make enough money to pay someone.

I think you’re conflating opinions expressed about the CSA images incident and opinions about this new policy?

If you want to use their site, you should pay them for it.

The entitlement of some people on this thread is off the scale.

Imagine being outraged that MN the business is expecting to get something back from the people who use, er, MN, whether in money or data. Why on earth do you think other people should work to provide something that you use, without you paying for it in someway?? Why do you think you have that right??

MN is not even an essential service Though we all do have to pay for essential services like housing, food and fuel. But MN is a non-essential leisure service that you are free to to stop using if you don't like how you being asked to pay for it, in data or money.

So stop being such whiny, entitled brats. Dear God.

I think it's probably a mix of new and old. I'm here intermittently and if I couldn't be, I'd find another one but I feel truly sorry for the posters who love and rely on this site.

Funny I thought registration was on hold after what happened the other night

It shouldn't have happened in the first place. This is their way of resolving it.

I clicked accept, not realising it meant mn would harvest and sell my data. Just thought I was accepting ads. If I now leave, can mn continue to track, collect and sell my data? I'm not very up on this stuff, and would be grateful if anyone would be kind enough to answer.

No I'm not. The rudeness is from many posters about anything to do with mumsnet at the moment. I think for many, it's about drama. This is the most exciting thing going on in their lives.

@TwentyTwentyFive some of them are familiar its true. In the past three or four months I've noticed quite a few threads which seem to be just there to stir up trouble, some put me in mind of MRA and I wonder if MN is being targetted? It was just a thought, now an accusation

You can't it's either accept or reject. I noticed the address photo button has gone. At least they won't have to pay a night watcher, phew.

Who’s going to pay to read posts like this one you just posted. Get real!

I really am surprised that there are so many people who've apparently been here for years and didn't know about the existence of the Night Watch and how it works.

Yes, you have now given Mumsnet permission to take your content, your data, your identity, all your cash, your pets and your house in perpetuity.

I doubt it.