Lucy Letby.....she might actually be innocent?!

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I have just watched the full press conference and I'm blown away. There seems to be no actual evidence AT ALL that she killed or injured those babies. This could be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice there has ever been in this country.

This must have been the baby who had internal injuries described as like being in a car crash, then. And Letby was caught with her hands in the cot, baby with blood round their mouth, screaming terribly according to the mother, just five hours before the baby died. And then the baby's sibling was attacked shortly after.

There was a murderer on the loose, and it was Letby. The ten-month-long trial, administered by QCs and other top legal brains, got it right.

Same here. Not UK but same or very similar legal system. The judge walked in got pretty much everything wrong and left. It was bizarre. It was in black and white in front of him when the person went to rehab, but he even got the year wrong. They all think they are God Almighty but they are just a group of people who survived law school and then knew someone to get them promoted. They are like investment bankers. Wouldn't trust a judge at all.I understand that they have to follow the letter of the law to the T but tbh some of them seem a bit stupid or drunk. Anyway, I have zero faith in the legal system after my experience with it. LL - God knows but on the surface it doesn't loook great. Were the ones she was found innocent of the ones when she was not on shift. Because that's a bit of a huge fuckup by somebody.

No, the baby whose injuries were described by the pathologist for the prosecution as comparable with being in a car crash was a totally different case.

That baby is now alleged to have died aftee the liver was accidentally pierced (not by Letby) during excessively high ventilation.

There is not one case where anyone alleged Letby had her hands in the cot while anything suspicious or alarming happened, though obviously she would feed, change, dose and help resuscitate babies like any other nurse.

• Letby was on duty for all of the 30 or so attacks on the babies.
• Multiple times, siblings were attacked, including triplets. What are the chances?
• Medical evidence showed air embolisms, overfeeding, synthetic insulin overdoses, and physical injuries.
• When Letby was taken off the ward, the death rate plummeted and the serious but non-fatal attacks on babies stopped, and so did the mysterious sudden collapses.

Sometimes, things are exactly what they look like.

And yet, some of the world's leading experts (each far more qualified than the one who gave evidence at trial) say that everything in your first paragraph is completely untrue, medically speaking.

And if the medical evidence presented at trial was deeply flawed, as seems very likely, then it does not matter how accomplished the legal teams were.

If that's true, how did the defence medical experts get it so wrong, then? When the defence lawyers had TEN MONTHS to arrange looking into it?

And I just watched an hour summary of the trial.

That’s made me think maybe she did do it! But some parts of the evidence were misrepresented if the international panel from today are correct - which I assume they are given their knowledge.

I wonder if they know she did it; but can’t work out how or prove it. So instead they have tried to botch the evidence.

I really have no idea.

Equally, if you have one medical expert with dubious qualifications say "the medical evidence shows X" and a team of far more qualified and impartial experts say "that's nonsense, it shows Y and, in fact, X is not even medically possible", maybe "things being exactly what they look like" dictates that the first expert fucked up badly?

I've just listened to the panel and their findings today. It completely blows the prosecution and any level of guilt out of the water.

I truly believe this is one of, if not, THE biggest miscarriages of justice this country has ever seen.

You cannot argue with the world's leading neonatal professors. Dr Shoo Lee broke down everything to give concrete analysis that said no murders had been committed and detailed explanations for each death.

I implore everyone to listen to the panel and their findings today and see this for what it is. A hospital with systematic failings and the actual doctors themselves who fu*ked up.

I agree it’s quite damning. But they didn’t cover every death or attack. I believe it was around half?

That’s the point though. The evidence was flawed.

But where were all these superior experts when the very lengthy trial was going on? How come that such a long and thorough trial run by QCs and top legal brains and multiple medical experts failed to unearth this apparently superior evidence, given by apparently superior experts? I'm not buying it.

Basing your opinion on today’s practice. I can promise you many nurses & midwives went home with handwritten work sheet in your uniform pocket. Only during Covid were we stopped going home in uniform, still took the uniform home though with same sheet in pocket. This has been discussed at length on previous LL threads

Did the panel explain how there were approx 30 attacks and that Letby was on duty for every single one? And did they give any explanation for the death rate dropping back to normal and the mystery non-fatal attacks stopping once she left the unit? Also, did they explain how siblings stopped dying and suffering attacks/mysterious collapses once she left?

The following post is a transcript of part of the introduction from Dr Shoo Lee from the Lucy Letby press conference. For those who are arguing that the Op and pp are only considering her to be possibly innocent or are only concerned about a miscarriage of justice because she is a slim, white, female the answer is no. That is not the reason.The Op is actually a discussion about her possibly being innocent after hearing this conference. If you want to debate it, then that’s fine. But, at least watch the conference or familiarise yourself with what the conference is actually about rather than making assumptions about the conference.

If you have the time, watch the YouTube video of the conference. If not at least read the transcript of what Dr Shoo Lee has said in his opening statement.

Please note that to keep it as short as I could, I did not start transcribing at the very start of the video. I included only what seemed relevant to some of the arguments regarding the panel of experts validity in re-examining the evidence.

The entire press conference goes for about 2 hours. Here is a link to the YouTube video of the conference if you want to watch it. In full: Lucy Letby press conference announces 'new medical evidence' - YouTube

No

Letby was off duty for at least 13 of 34 incidents, even relying on cases selected by the doctors accusing her.

The chances of premature triplets dying is more than five times that of singletons. If one in a multiple birth had a congenital condition or infection or a traumatic birth, the other likely will too. They often share hereditary conditions and conditions transmitted from their mother. Twins and triplets are more at risk, especially after one had suffered an incident.

Today's reports explain that medical evidence does not show air embolisms, overfeeding, synthetic insulin overdoses, and deliberately inflicted physical injuries

When Letby was taken off the ward it was downgraded, losing 1/2 to 1/3 of its patient numbers and all the serious cases. All the children on the charge sheet would have been born elsewhere or transferred out. All the nurses had checks on their training and practice. Consultant ward rounds became daily events instead of twice a week. The ward received a series of recommendations to improve from external reviewers.

Sometimes you need to look more closely at your facts.

Transcript of Dr Shoo Lee:

So the background to this conference today is that in August of 2023 Lucy Letby was convicted in the murder of seven babies and attempted murder of another seven babies at the Countess of Chester hospital neonatal unit. In April 2024 she appealed her conviction but it was rejected. I testified at her appeal and was concerned that there were problems with the medical evidence that was used in her trial and appeal. As Lucy had exhausted all avenues of appeal, I proposed to Lucy’s solicitors at the time that I would convene an international expert panel to examine all the medical evidence in detail and produce an impartial evidence based report about the causes of death or injury of all the cases involved in the trial. The report would be released regardless of whether the findings were favourable or unfavourable to Lucy. Lucy and her solicitors agreed.

So, the international expert panel is an independent panel of some of the most experienced and distinguished neonatologists and paediatric specialists in the world Our objective was to provide an impartial evidence based report about the causes of death or injury among the patients in the Lucy Letby case. Based on the medical evidence there would be no determination about innocence or guilt of the defendant.

I was instructed to convene an international expert panel to examine the medical evidence. The panel is independent and worked under the agreement with Lucy and her lawyers that all findings would be released even if they did not favour the defendant. The defendant and her lawyers provided the panel with access to medical records and witness statements used in the trial. The panel self determined how to examine the medical evidence, how to interpret the findings and to produce a report independently.

As chair of the panel I issued the following instructions to the members of the panel: 1st to review the medical records and determine the cause of death in their opinion (or injury). Second, to review and comment on the expert witness statements and opinions and third to provide an independent report about the causes of death or injury.

The methods we used was that each case would be examined by two experts independently who then submitted their reports to me, the chair. If your findings were in agreement the conclusions were accepted as final. If their findings differed, a third member of the panel was asked to review the case and a consensus opinion was then developed. Summaries of each case were developed by the chair and approved by the panelist who examined the case and then shared with the whole panel. Strict confidentiality was observed.

I am the chair of the panel and I invited the members of the panel to participate on a voluntary basis and to work pro bono. Members of the panel, including myself, did not receive any benefits in cash or in kind and even my trip here today is self funded. The panel comprises 14 very experienced and well known experts from highly prestigious institutions in six countries around the world including: Canada, United States of America, Japan, Germany, Sweden, and United Kingdom.

They are giving McDonald all the reports. They picked one or two of each type today to keep the conference to time. So they covered all Evans's alleged methods of murder and debunked them.

I think he said that it would take too long to go through each case as there is so much detail to each. but everything will be sent to the board now (can't recall the name of it).

I believe there will be a retrial/appeal and she will be found innocent. I really feel for the parents of those poor babies though. No winners in any of this and I think the biggest question now is, what happens to the NHS and the fallout of all of this? Dr Shoo Lee mentioned if this had happened in Canada the hospital would be shut down. The NHS is not fit for purpose imho and this just highlights how dreadful our health service has become.

They were counsellor encouraged therapy's sessions, the counsellor was employed by her nhs trust.

She literally wrote, "I am evil. I did this."

No his paper was used as part of the prosecution. He said would have he allowed his paper to be used he said no.

No, that's incorrect. She was on duty for all of the inexplicable deaths and collapses. Obviously there were other deaths in the time she worked there, for which she was not on duty, but those were not mysterious. And if the multiple-birth babies had the same conditions, that would have explained the deaths. The point is that the babies who died and suffered collapses did so in the absence of any medical conditions that would explain them.

About your point regarding the medical evidence, I cannot see how it was so completely wrong in the very lengthy trial consisting of multiple medical experts. I doubt this panel have read all the evidence in the relatively short amount of time they looked at it. I do wish foreigners would stop interfering in our justice system. It was the same with Charlie Gard when some expert, from Italy I believe, insisted that he could help Charlie and got everyone completely riled up, and then he backtracked when he looked at all Charlie's medical records. If these experts reviewed ALL the evidence that was presented during the ten-month long trial, I bet they would come to the same conclusion as the trial. I think they have been a bit previous in saying what they have, the same as the Italian expert.

The panel has made a very bold assertion. It will be interesting to see what becomes of this.

precisely, where was her defence, a plumber! Even people reported Dewi Evan’s during the trial to the GMC as he had no licence to give evidence.