I do not believe in gender identity.

[SernieBanders]

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

The only way to end rape is separation?
Wild.
I'd separate out rapists, not the whole of society

Can you tell the men who are rapists from the ones who aren’t? Women (also men and police forces) everywhere would benefit from this insider knowledge.

Do you understand the concept of basic safeguarding? Do you understand why spaces are segregated by sex in the first place?

How would you do that?

I think we might have a justice system for this. Maybe it needs to work better.

99% of sexual assaults are committed by males (whatever 'gender' they identify as).

80% of victims are females (ditto re gender ID).

Rape and sexual assault are overwhelmingly male crimes perpetrated against women.

(80% of violent crime is committed by males iirc, I'd have to check the stats.)

Great idea. Once we've sorted that, then perhaps we can look at mixed sex spaces.

I didn't say anything about the relative risk levels of anyone. I talked about human rights and desegregation in service of human rights. The right to safety is separate and requires a more complex outcome than strict gender and sex segregation, which restricts everyone's freedoms.

Hi
If I'm to be consistent yes. And I'd expect protection from sexual assault from anyone.

Do you fancy a bash at answering the questions I asked?

As mentioned above - how would you do that? You can’t, so we do the next best thing - we provide single sex spaces for when women and children are vulnerable - changing rooms, hospital wards, prison wings and toilets.

Even animals accept they are vulnerable when they are forced to let their guard down - watch a dog to see how it circles the spot, tests the air for the scent of predators and angles itself to minimise the risk whilst it has a poop. Lions, tigers etc - all predatory animals too - also recognise when they are vulnerable and take precautions.

All women are asking for is that society takes the relevant precautions so that they are safer* when naked or relieving themselves. The easiest way is to legislate - and police - against penis-ed persons being in their space. It’s really not rocket science.

*NB note the use of ‘safer’, as completely safety is never assumed and cannot be guaranteed anywhere. The aim is to minimise risk in the knowledge you can never fully eradicate it.

Not massively but to answer question 2 -yes and q3 - yes I do understand..cheers.

I'd rather not be defined by penis or lack of penis. I'd like a system that prioritises resources on actual safety and respect and equality. Cheers.

Thanks for that stellar explanation/contribution.

Tough. The having of a penis means a person is a threat to women. Fact. Get over it.

‘A system that prioritises resources on actual safety’ - ie that relies upon the facts borne out by criminal systems the world over evidences the risk of penised-ones to women and children in terms of sexual and non-sexual violence. DO women and children not deserve that same level of ‘respect and equality’?

No one actually does. Everyone knows it is bullshit. People are pretending for various reasons. Some might even be pretending for what they think are good reasons, some are thick as fucking bricks, some are creeps, and some are outright evil.

But no one actually believes this nonsense. We didn't all wake up recently suddenly unaware of how to know the difference between men and women.

For fucks sake.

I always tend to wonder whether the women who are least worried about anyone being at risk of rape or think it upsetting that someone might be defined as having a penis are women who have never been raped or sexually assaulted. If three in four over the age of sixteen haven't been, all that's needed is a lack of imagination in a woman among their number and there it is: "I'm all right Jack" lives.

I don't know anyone who wouldn't like a system that prioritises resources on actual safety and respect. But that's not happening, and it's silly to think that it is anywhere in sight.

Are we now at the point where someone says we have a justice system so let’s abandon safeguarding and instead prosecute crime as it happens instead of taking preventative steps of segregating by sex using safeguarding principles?

Am I reading this right? Is this what you are trying to say we should do @JeannetteBlue ?

And that we should sort out the justice system we have in place instead upholding safeguarding principles that segregate by sex due to risk carried by the general male population ?

It could be. Or if could be a belief in Utopian society or just an entrenchment in a belief that we should all be happy to share spaces with whoever and believe in the best of people and have no embarrassment that makes us not want to be in positions of partial dress or undress with the opposite sex. Or something.

Apparently so! From the poster who says they understand the concept of safeguarding. Cough.

Indeed, let’s not do anything to prevent crime, then.

Let’s go back to leaving our doors open, cars unlocked, leave our valuables on the table when we go to the bathroom, and our children and babies alone in playgrounds etc because we can totally rely on an undermanned, under-resourced police and judicial service to address any actual crimes. Jewellers and shopkeepers should, on this basis, just leave their stores unmanned and operate an honesty system where customers self serve and pay before they leave … after all if we operate on an respect and equality based system we’d probably not have much crime at all, would we? ‘Cos basking in a heightened sense of equality is proven to prevent criminality, isn’t it? 🤦🏽‍♀️

@JeannetteBlue i asked you upthread if you'd be happy to share a cell with a man if you ended up in prison. Could you answer that please?

They answered - 'Hi
If I'm to be consistent yes. And I'd expect protection from sexual assault from anyone.'

It would seem that it could be a version of Ayn Rand as one past posted explained the position. Iirc, that if we treat people as if they will treat others with respect etc then that is what they will do.

I am reading this as that plus that people of the opposite sex should have no embarrassment in being in situations like toilets etc with the opposite sex.

The bit about sharing a prison cell is rather entrenched though. Sharing a cell with a male who has already shown that they have criminal tendencies and are not likely to respect anyone? That is showing ideological entrenchment in my opinion.

How do you prevent from sexual assault on an individual basis in a mixed sex prison?

Oh thank you

I doubt she's thought about for 20 seconds though, she just thinks it'll never happen to her.

Shame about the women it's actually happening to right now.