I do not believe in gender identity.

[SernieBanders]

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

@TwistedWonder - yes, isn’t that what Dr Upton is claiming in court? That to be given a third space is ‘othering’ and he should be accepted in the women’s change room?

He says he thinks Ms Peggie objected to his presence “because of my trans status” when any sane person can see that no, it’s because he’s male.

yes. This male doctor is clear that asking them to leave the changing room and not use it is 'othering.'

This morning the doctor has repeatedly shown that they cannot respect female people's boundaries at all. Has in fact doubled down that they will go and treat a female patient who has asked for a female only health care provider and will not disclose their sex. (Yesterday, this doctor stated that they would report a female patient for stating that they are a male person)

Plus has doubled down that they went home and thought about it for days that before deciding that one woman's distress about them being 'male' was actually just bigotry about them being 'transgender' and in defiance to that bigotry that male doctor would continue to use the female communal changing room.

All the while, declaring that they are an empathetic person.

No. I don't think empathy is at all what has been shown. There is another term that comes to mind for someone who does this while defying material reality.

Just saw this:

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425?utm_source=website_article&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=51545

Did they plan the timing?

I am about to go through it.

I think that if anyone actually believes that questioning gender identity and accommodations made by law and policy is 'far right'... they really need to read this poll.

A majority of Labour voters are very close to alignment with Tory voters on these issues.

Maybe, just maybe we will get less people making such thought terminating cliqued accusations in the future.

literally yes, a third space will never ever be acceptable.

Not too far from MN numbers, goes to show this place is not that much of an outlier after all

Reddit reckons it's all a scam and they have been framed

Not "allowed to speak"

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1imy2xs/so_yeah_latest_you_gov_poll_on_the_attitudes/

Can sexual violence only be solved with segregation?
If half of the women were trans, and half the men were trans, would gendered / sexualised violence still exist? Many trans people pass and gender non conforming people are hard to determine their gender. I believe that ambiguity would actually increase safety. We need to end sexual assault, that does not mean we need to enforce the gender sex binary those are not the same thing.

But my sincere thanks for your answer, I can see how if you think these are the same issue, you would chose the side that you feel is safer. I don't think these issues are the same. Sexual violence and people being trans are not inherently linked..there are SO MANY cis men who are violent against women, there must be other ways to solve that violence.

Hi Arabella..thanks for the question. I fully stand by my stance and have thought that through. If I had to live in a segregated world defined by my birth or a mixed world, I'd chose mixed. Mixed does not mean making sexual assault legal - we would still all deserve protection and respect I just do not define this as sex segregation.

And mixed does feel weird sometimes but the alternative to me is weirder and more restrictive. IMO.

Thank you.

So if you were sent to prison you'd be happy to share a cell with a man?

And Sport? Should sport be only mixed sex?

Hi Arabella..thanks for the question. I fully stand by my stance and have thought that through. If I had to live in a segregated world defined by my birth or a mixed world, I'd chose mixed.

It's not a 'mixed vs segregated' choice though. If it was I might agree with you. Modern western societies are a 'mixed world' (largely thanks to suffragettes and other feminists!). We can all be educated to the same levels, we can all be parents, we can all work etc etc. There are very, very few domains in which segregation by sex is necessary - but in those sex still does matter. Sport, prisons and so forth.

Removing all sex segregation is a naive and clumsy idea, tbh, and will cause lots of harm to women, but at least it's internally consistent and the effects would be out in the open rather than the weird pretend-segregated system we have currently.

Have a look at how things were before women fought for women's services and spaces.

I suggest reading a bit on equity. Unless as a society we're happy to go with 'might is right', equality is too crude. 'The urinary leash' is a good historical object lesson. In present day, you can look at campaigns for women in developing countries and why they need access to single sex facilities.

Meanwhile, many women and girls already self-exclude. Ask any teen girl in a school with mixed sex loos about her strategies, for example.

And finally, have a look at pregnancies resulting from rape in US jails and come back to me on mixed sex spaces and how 'weird' they are.

Removing all sex segregation is a naive and clumsy idea, tbh, and will cause lots of harm to women, but at least it's internally consistent and the effects would be out in the open rather than the weird pretend-segregated system we have currently.

There is certainly absolutely no rational reason for segregating by 'gender'!
Don't segregate anything on the basis of gender stereotypes/roles.
Separate the very few things where our sexual dimorphism is relevant.

Not complicated.

Declaring that nothing should be segregated by sex is a lovely utopian vision. But it is certainly not a concept based in reality.

Right now, it is a concept that is causing harm within society to not have sex segregation in the situations where it is needed. Which is, of course, relatively few situations.

And I agree, there are even fewer situations that I can think of that need ‘gender’ segregation. I cannot even think of any.

Declaring that nothing should be segregated by sex is a lovely utopian vision. But it is certainly not a concept based in reality.

Even in the most peaceful utopia I'm not seeing how many sports could be fair and safe

Well, I always expected that in that utopia, there is no competitiveness Errol. Because competing and winning would no longer be acceptable as it would mean someone losing.

It is utopia after all.

In your scenario we'd very likely find that humans who have the potential to produce large gametes would comprise the vast majority of victims of sexual violence and humans who have the potential to produce small gametes would comprise over 90% of the perpetrators.

Sexual violence and trans are of course not inherently linked, but being male (usual definition if the term) is highly associated.

Well, I always expected that in that utopia, there is no competitiveness Errol. Because competing and winning would no longer be acceptable as it would mean someone losing.
Ah, I'm more of the 'it's not the winning it's the taking part' way of thinking.

No. There is no connection established between being transgender and sexual violence.

However, being MALE is the risk. And sorry, denying that a male person with a transgender identity is either not male or for assessing risk of committing violent acts is a sub group of male person that doesn’t still have the same risk is denying the reality shown in the UK MoJ statistics.

Unless you have some different statistics that show differently. Do you? Do you have statistics that show that male people in any stage of transition have a lower rate of committing sex crimes than the general UK male population?

Because if you don’t, you seem to be believing in false claims.

Records show higher rates of sexual convictions in transwomen
than in males who aren’t trans.

Does that include the sexual assaults against women which have been recorded as having been committed by women using their penises, because those penis-users identify as female?

I don’t know.
Ministry of Justice figures,

In that case it probably does, because they took to recording criminals as the "gender" they "identified" as, at least for a while and possibly still. That these crims think/assert that they are women is the only possible justification for locking them up in the women's estate so that their feelings won't be hurt.

For anyone who wants to read through the statistics for males who have transgender identities who commit sex crimes in the UK here are some.

This was a question answered this month:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.
Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024

Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.
Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure.

To put this into perspective with what we already knew from FOI information. I posted the information to a regular poster from FWR on another thread, who did not acknowledge the information at all, so it seems sticking the info here is appropriate:

Here is data from the MoJ

Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other

77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.

1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,

This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.
There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female. What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.
As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population. And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.
I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.