I do not believe in gender identity.

[SernieBanders]

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

It really is not women's role to protect a group of people from material reality being discussed when they have been led by others that their own version of reality is the material reality. And that everyone needs to support that version of reality (that is not based on material reality) to allow that person to continue to live where their philosophical belief is unchallenged.

While many of us have a great deal of empathy for individuals, this is a tactic that has been used by activists to convince policy and law makers to prioritise gender identity over sex when sex matters.

And telling women that a group of people might be distressed by speaking about their own experiences and their own interpretations of policies and legislation is, despite what some posters might think, a silencing and shaming tactic. This is emotionally manipulative.

Do those people saying that a person with a transgender identity who might be reading this thread might be distressed think, hang on.... what about the female people who have been harmed by the actions of that group? I am sure that they don't intend this, but in repeating the tactics of activists the outcome is the same.

Women and girls feel like shit in having their own needs deprioritised when gender identity is prioritised.

It is possible to be kind and respectful and still disagree with somebody’s beliefs. Trust me, I walk that line every day. Sure, they won’t like it and it will make them angry and they will call you transphobic but it is important to speak up

The whistleblowers at the Tavistock clinic are the real heroes in all of this

It wasn’t the adolescent kids who turned over the entire basis of society. I really don’t think any of this can be blamed on them.

Oh I agree. It was the absolute scum that saw them as an means to their own ends. And I don't "blame" them. However they sadly will need explaining how society works with reference to something akin to my airplane example.

Imagine if your DC came home from school one day and told you that because a new kid had started, and they were left handed, that the teacher had insisted the whole class had to write left handed from now on in order to make sure that single kid didn't feel excluded ?

People hate the handedness comparison because it is innate and can't be converted into some "spectrum" bollocks (see what I did there 😀)

Sometimes I don't have the energy and presense of mind to be kind and respectful.

Many times, and increasingly, I just want to be accurate and blunt.

It is possible to be respectful and still disagree with somebody's beliefs to a certain extent. However, we need to acknowledge that we don't have to support those beliefs at all, and sometimes people will be blunt to make a point very clear which will be viewed by others as 'unkind'.

I have watched this happen in real time. Someone will post something that they have worded kindly, and it has been then taken and misrepresented by someone who is an activist poster. The result is that clearly worded, accurate and unemotional but respectful response can cut through a whole lot of fuckwittery where someone is trying to remain kind.

I have also seen very blunt words push the Overton window to allow discussions to be had. Whereas if people remained kind, the discussions would have cycled around and around for months and nothing would be achieved.

The concepts of kind and respectful are also very subjective and are used to vilify people discussing things with clear and accurate terms. I think it could be summed up with the number of posters who have reported my posts (so they say) because I use the word 'male person' to describe a male person who identifies as a woman.

It is like the many posters who also did this during discussions about two male boxers who have previously tested as being male but were allowed to box in the Paris Olympics due to their differences in sex development.

It is impossible to have a clear and accurate discussion when you have to type 'this female boxer should not be competing in the Olympics in the female boxing events because they have a physical pubertal advantage.' This sentence is nowhere near as clear in communicating the issue as 'this male boxer should not be competing in the Olympics in the female boxing events because they have a physical male pubertal advantage.'

And yet, the first one is considered by many, many people to be kind and respectful. And the second version is considered the very opposite.

I don't believe in gender - full stop.

There are two sexes and they are immutable

Non binary people are not non binary

trans people are actually the sex they were born.

Oh me too, if it was early on then I would have gone for it 100 %. Would I have been making the right decision? Who knows? Would I have been too young to understand the enormity of the decision - probably.
I think I'm missing the point aren't I? I know I'm a woman. I wouldn't class myself as trans anything. I just know I've always been and felt different and it was never spoken of, because it wasn't back then. But it's with things how they are now that I had my light bulb moment and thought oh okay, I do have a place and choices. I choose not to act on anything anyway, because Ohh I don't know, I am missing the point aren't I that I am female.
I did get pissed off once with a friends trans daughter telling me I should identity as a CIS female to make them feel better. I thought fuck off, you're 18 and you don't know the half of what I've been through or felt. My heads mashed 🤣

I agree.

The entitlement of these 'trans' who tell us how we should describe ourselves. I don't care how they want to label themselves but I object to them labelling me
Use Cis to make them feel better. So bloody entitled and it's all about them. Has no one ever you'd them 'no'. Would they melt if someone didn't affirm everything they say. Enabled to dictate to others because they are more special than anyone else. Spoilt, self centred and cry if someone misgenders them, I mean seriously! Get others at school into trouble for actually correctly seeing them.

I think quite a lot of that generation feel entitled in general. To everything. My near 30 year old lazy git of a son (and absent father to my nearly 3 year old granddaughter) has decided he needs to try and claim PIP. Bloody hell the things I have gone through in my life and the physical disability I now have that gave me entitlement to PIP last year - nearing 50, just made me think good luck sunshine, because it ain't going to happen.
Grrr sorry off topic, I know but I brought him and his little sister up alone and it just makes me angry. Not sure whether to post this... And, fuck it - post!
I bet he gets it.

Your posts do rather miss the point. But in saying that, many women have expressed the same as you. I even had a great boys name picked out and great clans.

Would I have jumped at the chance? Sure. would it have been the right decision? I know very well it would not have been for a very many reasons.

Plans. Not clans.

So in your world, people with genitalia of both sexes don't exist?
Claiming people don't exist is a very hateful thing to say

Do you not know what hunter-gatherer means?

They aren't fucking Tinkerbell
Nobody stops existing because somebody says words and facts are not hate

The determination of sex is not dependent solely on what genitalia a person has though. That is part of what is considered.

It is whether a body is formed around producing a particular type of gamete over the other type of gamete (regardless of whether it is produced successfully). And no human has ever produced both sperm and ova to my knowledge. Do you have proof that no one else has that this has happened?

So the former

> To my knowledge there are no humans producing sperm and eggs

Then increase your knowledge
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/16324-intersex

The same way a vestigial twin is

Your ignorance prevents you from answering my questions, I see

I posted the link, twice, which includes the current theories of why gender identity exists and how, sometimes, it can be the opposite to the physical sex

And separate from their sex, they could take on culturally gendered roles
What's your point?

Posted it twice already
Which sex are people with both male and female - sometimes gamete producing - genitalia and/or reproductive systems?

So you accept that intersex people exist (and most reputable organisations agree the 1.7% is a ridiculously high estimate)
This makes you both more educated and more open minded than anyone who claims "there are only two sexes, male and female" or "a man is a man and a woman is a woman"

So we are supposed to take your word for it, against generations of reproductive biologists, that the male SRY gene is active from conception?
Ignorance is one thing
Wilful ignorance is another
Stating the opposite of something that is absolutely known beyond all doubt is ... extra special