I do not believe in gender identity.

[SernieBanders]

There are two sexes: male and female. Occasionally, that matters.

There is no such thing as an innate gender identity—no internal essence that makes someone more inclined to wear dresses and sip wine, or football boots and down pints. Those are cultural stereotypes, not proof of some mystical gendered soul.

The idea of gender identity is sexist, misogynistic, and regressive. It reinforces outdated norms instead of challenging them. Women do not need an inner feeling of womanhood to be women. Men do not need a gender identity to be men. Sex is real. Stereotypes are not.

I hope with the flurry of cultural changes, legal challenges, scientific findings and executive orders in the last ~12 months, more people feel able to stand up and be counted, and say - No More.

Where did I say I didn't accept it? I just think it's silly when just about everything posted on Mumsnet you could say the same thing about!

hello - NO DEBATE is over luv.

You nned to get used to talking about this issue, which affects every single one of us, more and more now.

So, you have nothing to add, and you just want us all to shut up about it? Par for the course!

I’m so sorry that you are going through this too.
As parents, we are in an impossible position. I just hope that threads such as this will be read by teachers and neighbours and friends of trans kids and that they will respond in a more thoughtful manner. I spoke to a teacher about affirmation and she told me that it was the kind thing to do.. She truly believed this but the Cass Report is very clear that socially transitioning is not a neutral act so it is important that society is aware of this and responds accordingly. As parents, we have the best interests of our children at heart and it is devastating to see them being affirmed by people in the community with little or no interest in their long term well-being even if it is done in the name of kindness. No wonder autistic adolescents find that they are treated better as the opposite gender.

It is not transphobic by any means - happy for anyone to identify as trans, not believing in their ideology is not transphobic. I am not anti-Sikh - but I do not believe in the ideology.

I did 'read some science'
this article discusses anomalies in the sex chromosomes of males and females - as described on this thread earlier- and what the consequences are, and the frequencies
it does not mention any sexes other than male or female

The really key word there is "anomalies".

indeed

What else is the point of AIBU then?

@KookyGreenCritic , you could have taken your own advice and scrolled on by, but you decided to try and shut down any discussion. Why?

This is wonderful thank you - these reasons are all why this AIBU was posted, so people know why we need to talk about it now, constantly and publicly

That’s because a lot of Folks who support trans people have left mumsnet or don’t click on these threads anymore. From my discussions with friends and acquaintances

https://www.amazon.co.uk/End-World-Flat-Simon-Edge/dp/178563240X
this is a v funny take on what Stonewall did/are doing

Feel free to ignore obviously, but is there a reason you used the word "Folks" with a capital F when talking about transpeople and allies?

I'm really interested in common language & stylings used by groups and I wondered if you had a reason for that choice of word, but especially the capitalisation.

If you really are that interested, then maybe a platform with autocorrect and "AI" assisted replies may not be the greatest source of data ?

That's called an anecdote. 1100 votes however is quantifiable evidence.

Thanks for that, I have seen it before!

Yes - I know that! I agree we don't have to conform with cultural expectations. That doesn't mean - as the OP says- that there's no such thing as 'gender identity'.

If it exists, it only exists as concept that some people believe in and other don't like ghosts or a flat earth or the royal family secretly being lizards people. There is absolutely no empirical evidence that it exists in any meaningful way other than belief.

There is no such thing as gender identity outside of a human mind.

Which is not the same for sex. Which exists whatever we may or may not think.

Who here has read "The Gods Themselves" ?

You're wrong. Mumsnet is more than a discussion forum. It is, where necessity calls for it, a pressure group.

Mumsnet members are responsible for sharing information where no other focum on the www did likewise - albeit some users were banned for calling into attention the very real issues TRA posed for women's rights. It has supported those suffering, 'cancelled', doxed and kicked out of their jobs for saying that sex is real and sometimes it matters. It's crowd funded precedent-making court cases, which women are now overwhelmingly winning in our court system.

For the concept of beliefs 'worthy of respect in a democratic society', we have Maya Forstater to thank. Mumsnetters stood up alongside Kiera Bell when she challenged the Tavistock - a case which at least indirectly led to the Cass report. There are also members of women's rights groups and organisations away from MN posting here - people who have challenged the blacklisting by police of those who have expressed contrary views to gender ideology, without trial or conviction.

Women of Mumsnet were fighting these injustices at a point where the remainder of society was barely aware of them. It's been a long slog, and a great deal has been lost by some women who had the courage to put their heads over the parapet and fight these injustices from the outset.

And we're winning.

If it's just an autocorrect then that's my answer - but there's a vocabulary used around certain topics and there can be intention in punctuation and the use of capitalisation within groups, and yes I'm interested. This is just a question, nothing more to be read into it.

Wish there was a hug/solidarity emoji. Mum of traumatised, autistic child caught up in this. Two, if you count the innocent non-trans-identifying younger sibling caught in the middle of it, because they should count too.

🫂

No I was just typing quickly and it came out on auto from my phone. It was near the start of the sentence so just a coincidence I think.