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Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico

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Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 09:23

Stop buying American goods after Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico.

He says it’s because of phen and illegal immigration - less than 1% come from Canada.

This will have significant implications for the Canadian economy, the American economy and by domino the world. Not to mention the fact it could start a significant trade war.

The US doesn’t subsidise Canada - they buy Canadian goods. Approx 40% of their crude oil comes from Canada for example.

There is also an agreed trade deal between the US/Canada and Mexico that Trump agreed to and signed in his first years in office.

YABU - it doesn’t matter to me
YANBU - let’s stand up to a bully and support our allies

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ExercicenformedeZ · 02/02/2025 12:22

Floppyzebra · 02/02/2025 09:55

He has to have a hard line to stop illegal immigration so I'm fine with it.

OFFS

Porcuporpoise · 02/02/2025 12:22

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 12:20

Wrong again. They voted from Trump yea. The majority of Americans are against the tariffs.

Then I'm sure they'll let him know and maybe that'll do some good. He does play best to the home crowd.

Daisychainsforme · 02/02/2025 12:22

@Rainingalldayonmyhead I will be checking very carefully where my goods come from now

Well I'm glad you have the time.

I'm more concerned with helping elderly relatives now they've had their Winter Fuel Payment taken off them and working out if I can afford to take any staff on now that I have to pay extra for NI and wages etc etc🙄

Yogaatsunrise · 02/02/2025 12:23

The US is our biggest ally, and you think it’s a good idea to get into a spat that has nothing to do with us?! It’s honestly a ridiculous suggestion, and will lead to a serious fracture in our relationship with them, which is under enough strain as it is because of Starmer and Lammy.

RingoJuice · 02/02/2025 12:24

Allthosedays · 02/02/2025 12:04

If you read the fact sheet released by the white house it makes more reference to the use of tariffs as leverage to force action against drugs entering the US, specifically fentanyl which is considered a public health emergency.
It also states that it will remain in effect until this is controlled. Rather than it being to generate revenue or increase inflation.

Canada has been identified as having labs producing fentanyl and China as providing the precursors for production.
www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-imposes-tariffs-on-imports-from-canada-mexico-and-china/

There has also been a huge increase in illegal immigrants (mostly of subcontinental Indian origin). Sadly an entire Indian family died crossing the northern border, including a baby. They froze to death.

Also fake trucking schools being used to transport drugs into the US and Canada is making no serious effort to stop this (imo anyway).

Whether tariffs will work in bringing back manufacturing in the US remains to be seen, I’m cautiously optimistic

WaryCrow · 02/02/2025 12:24

In fact I don’t see how Britain can resist anyone or anything at this moment in time. Politicians even seem to want to reduce our food production - and the farmers have long been spoiled in comparison to the rest of us for that very reason. If we produce nothing we are dependent.

Congratulations to decades of neoliberalist fools and the greedy chasing big bucks who have neglected the basic building blocks of local markets and small production, and made such utterly impossible here via land prices (and huge immigration imports don’t help).

Potsofpetals · 02/02/2025 12:25

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 12:20

Wrong again. They voted from Trump yea. The majority of Americans are against the tariffs.

Is that poll by the same company that said Kamala was going to win the election?

CdcRuben · 02/02/2025 12:27

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SerendipityJane · 02/02/2025 12:27

Stop visiting the US.

Stop using the dollar.

CerealPosterHere · 02/02/2025 12:27

Floppyzebra · 02/02/2025 12:11

We shall see, hopefully it'll be a message for other countries and convince Canada to tighten their own borders.

Both countries need to tighten their own borders and there is evidence that this is already happening. Fentanyl flows in both directions across the border apparently. Both countries until the last few weeks have allowed pedestrian unmanned border crossings to operate but was announced very recently this is stopping (not sure how much these crossings contributed to drug flow). The PCT hiking community are a bit annoyed as they’ll have to turn back at the monument and do a longer hike back to the nearest USA town than if they could carry on to the nearest Canadian town. Could be dangerous in late Sept/oct which is when most people reach the border and the weather is closing in.

Canada has also announced more border security.

forbes say any drug trade or illegal immigration does not justify the tariffs as the numbers are so small.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2025/01/31/tariff-on-canada-not-justified-by-us-immigration-and-drug-claims/

Tariff On Canada Not Justified By U.S. Immigration And Drug Claims

Evidence suggests that the justification for a 25 percent import tariff on Canadian goods and services does not hold up to scrutiny. Here is why.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2025/01/31/tariff-on-canada-not-justified-by-us-immigration-and-drug-claims

JRSKSSBH · 02/02/2025 12:28

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 09:48

Well that may happen! Let’s see what Trudeau proposes. Remember in 2003 when the power went out in southern Ontario and northern US for millions and millions of people for days.

That man forgets how intrinsically linked we are.

It may get ugly for a while! It’s interesting to see Mark Carney has a very hard line too. Short term we look like we are saying the right things.

Sorry you do understand that Trudeau is on the way out politically, and what power does Mark Carney have? Your posters are hilarious.

MonkeyToHeaven · 02/02/2025 12:28

Parker231 · 02/02/2025 09:32

What about if/when Trump applies tariffs to the UK?

He won't. Starmer & Streeting will offer them greater access to our healthcare market.

19kgofchocolate · 02/02/2025 12:29

Here’s what we import from the US. Not easy to boycott, but why don’t you start with not flying anywhere and not smoking. That will take care of three.

  • Fuels
  • In 2023, the UK imported £18.7 billion of fuels from the US, which was 23.5% of all fuel imports
  • Mechanical power generators: In 2023, the UK imported £5.5 billion of mechanical power generators
  • Aircraft: In 2023, the UK imported £3.1 billion of aircraft
  • Animal, vegetable fats and oils: In 2023, the UK imported $26.82 million of animal, vegetable fats and oils
  • Lac, gums, resins: In 2023, the UK imported $24.97 million of lac, gums, and resins
  • Explosives, pyrotechnics, matches, pyrophorics: In 2023, the UK imported $24.69 million of explosives, pyrotechnics, matches, and pyrophorics
  • Tobacco and manufactures tobacco substitutes: In 2023, the UK imported $24.41 million of tobacco and tobacco substitutes
CornishTickler · 02/02/2025 12:33

I think the mistake that was made by the left is being repeated again.

The left didn't listen to the concerns of the right and went down the MAGA morons route, myself included. We were too quick to write off Trump supporters as whackos instead of actually listening to what their concerns were.

Internally, large areas of the US are economically desolate. Whole towns abandoned due to industrial collapse and decrease in manufacturing. This is the base that voted in Trump, those with no job and no hope. Nothing to lose.

These are the people that are pushing for protectionism and tariffs. I suspect they don't care about immediate price rises and more about actually having a job and a house.

The US needs to fix this problem or it won't have a future. It does need to bring manufacturing back to the US and away from China to survive. It cannot be a service based economy, its just too big. Regan pushed the US in the wrong direction.

So a trade war was inevitable in real terms. Free trade and overseas competition for too long has created this situation.

Will it work? who knows. It will certainly cause pain globally, but who knows how it will play out.

Boycotting is knee jerk and ineffective. Also naive due to the inconnectivity of manufacturing supply chains.

There is no trade deficit with the UK, unlike the EU, so the UK won't necessarily be a target. But who knows.

We will see how this unfolds but the world is moving more towards a more protectionist stance. We did it with Brexit. Other countries are following suit.

Interesting times we live in.

Chersfrozenface · 02/02/2025 12:34

Re the imports, in particular

Aircraft: In 2023, the UK imported £3.1 billion of aircraft

Ryanair mostly uses Boeing aircraft, so we could boycott Ryanair. Mind you, I already do, based on experience of the airline's crapitude.

custardpyjamas · 02/02/2025 12:35

Chersfrozenface · 02/02/2025 10:59

Indeed not.

Posted from my phone made in China.

And that is a big problem, Trump is inevitably pushing companies and countries to buy Chinese rather than US, as the other obvious (and usually already cheaper) source for most consumables. Great job!

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 12:35

Floppyzebra · 02/02/2025 12:11

We shall see, hopefully it'll be a message for other countries and convince Canada to tighten their own borders.

Would those be the borders that the US also have control of and more Americans illegally enter Canada every year than the other way around?

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Createausername1970 · 02/02/2025 12:36

SerendipityJane · 02/02/2025 11:47

President Trump.

Ah.....😷

Floppyzebra · 02/02/2025 12:36

CornishTickler · 02/02/2025 12:33

I think the mistake that was made by the left is being repeated again.

The left didn't listen to the concerns of the right and went down the MAGA morons route, myself included. We were too quick to write off Trump supporters as whackos instead of actually listening to what their concerns were.

Internally, large areas of the US are economically desolate. Whole towns abandoned due to industrial collapse and decrease in manufacturing. This is the base that voted in Trump, those with no job and no hope. Nothing to lose.

These are the people that are pushing for protectionism and tariffs. I suspect they don't care about immediate price rises and more about actually having a job and a house.

The US needs to fix this problem or it won't have a future. It does need to bring manufacturing back to the US and away from China to survive. It cannot be a service based economy, its just too big. Regan pushed the US in the wrong direction.

So a trade war was inevitable in real terms. Free trade and overseas competition for too long has created this situation.

Will it work? who knows. It will certainly cause pain globally, but who knows how it will play out.

Boycotting is knee jerk and ineffective. Also naive due to the inconnectivity of manufacturing supply chains.

There is no trade deficit with the UK, unlike the EU, so the UK won't necessarily be a target. But who knows.

We will see how this unfolds but the world is moving more towards a more protectionist stance. We did it with Brexit. Other countries are following suit.

Interesting times we live in.

Interesting analysis, thanks for sharing

Thegoatliesdownonbroadway · 02/02/2025 12:37

Give up my Hershey bars?

JustMyView13 · 02/02/2025 12:37

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 02/02/2025 12:20

Wrong again. They voted from Trump yea. The majority of Americans are against the tariffs.

That may very well be the case.
But when someone speaks, people should listen.

Trump was very clear before the election that he would impose tariffs on countries he [didn’t like / didn’t comply with his agenda].

Therefore, a vote for Trump was a vote in favour of these tariffs. The American people are living the promises (and more) that they voted for.

Downtherivers · 02/02/2025 12:37

Noras · 02/02/2025 12:06

Heres the UK position - seems like our cheese makers are having a rough time with Canada

Negotiations with Canada on a new free trade deal have broken down, but what does this mean for businesses trading with the country and what happens next?
BCC Head of Trade Policy, William Bain, examines the implications:
One of the immediate effects of dialogue ending is that there will be no reprieve for cheese or dairy exporters in the UK. They have already been told they must access the non-EU quota for Canada cheese and dairy imports - this took effect on 1 January.
They will face stiff competition to access this quota, from the likes of Mexican and Swiss exporters, with long-standing contracts and supply chains into the Canadian market.
Any exports that UK cheese makers agree outside of the quota will face tariffs of 275%, making them completely uncompetitive

The UK will have access to a cheese quota under CPTPP as soon as it comes into effect. At the minute it cannot be accessed but steps have been taken to try to resolve the issue for dairy exporters

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 02/02/2025 12:43

Floppyzebra · 02/02/2025 09:55

He has to have a hard line to stop illegal immigration so I'm fine with it.

How exactly is he going to stop that with adding trade tariffs? 25% tariff when Canada apparently is the origin of only 1% of illegal immigrants? Just what on earth will these tariffs achieve?

All that's going to happen is that it's going to accelerate the US's decline and countries are going to look to China. BRICS is already expanding notably. Why would countries look to the US when they're likely to be faced with a seriously unstable leader and even if someone better gets in next time, the damage is done. The US isn't reliable and that really puts other countries and organisations off.

MissyB1 · 02/02/2025 12:43

isthismylifenow · 02/02/2025 11:45

He's a chop too.

Are you South African by any chance 😂 I'm married to one - a South African not a chop 😂

shuggles · 02/02/2025 12:52

@Tomatotater If Trump wants things made in the US, Americans are going to have to do the work, at the same speed as they do in China and India, and their employers are going to have to pay them more. Just as we will have to if we want more manufacturing in this country. Less stuff, made better that lasts for longer, but much, much more expensive.

Sounds good to me. It is somewhat tragic that the UK was the first industrialised nation, and used to be the world leader in science and engineering. We were a nation that made material goods which actually improved people's lives. Yet, we gave that up and now most of the UK workforce sits in offices manipulating a fake digital world.

The proliferation of people who don't care that a child has made their piece of crap top from Shein that they bought for £2 suggests that won't be happening anytime soon.

Or indeed, an adult that has to work from 06:00 to 22:00 for 7 days a week. But this is why we need more regulations and tariffs in these areas; fast fashion is truly disgusting, and also contributes massively to pollution. No one needs to buy clothes every single month. Clothes should only be replaced once they have holes or become worn out.