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To think Princess Di was killed

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Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/01/2025 15:35

There OK I said it. You hoo, crazy conspiracy theorist over here…

Yes, I know they had an inquiry though anyone high up enough to kill a Royal could snowball an Inquiry or influence the outcome ? I think it’s naive to think the law is this perfect thing.

Ive always found it odd that she was labelled a “loose cannon” by the press and was campaigning against landmines. It was said that it caused a lot of noses out of joint in politics. I would have thought that weapons dealers and the industry would have taken a huge hit.

There aren’t many celebrities or organisations that could have taken on the weapons or arms industry as powerfully as Diana. It was until then an issue that nobody touched.

Since her death there’s still landmines and the issue has never really been addressed.

I wonder if she’d been alive today what she’d be doing. Not hard to imagine her visiting children impacted by war and maybe even Palestinian refugees, beaming images around the world to restore some sanity and humanity.

I dont think we realise the humanity, bravery and brilliance she had. Could have been going to glamorous events and being a Princess but instead she was carrying on even when powerful people were upset.

I wonder how powerful those people were or was it someone British. Men don’t take a liking to women with power and it amazes me more that she wasn’t killed deliberately in the context of this.

What are the chances she would die at such a young age and to not be wearing a seat belt seems bizarre to me. Just too many coincidences.

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JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 22:11

Serenster · 28/01/2025 22:09

Which is not an issue. The police - both here and in France - have their own forensic experts and conduct their own forensic processes because they are the one who conduct the investigation (that is literally their job). They are the experts in criminal evidence gathering rules and processes, which are finicky and extremely strict.

If you start bringing in independent experts you are likely to wind up with an issue that makes that evidence inadmissible.

But those saying Mercedes tested the seatbelts are simply repeating untruths.

Serenster · 28/01/2025 22:13

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 22:01

@Serenster The papers were full of rumours that Diana was pregnant before her death. Diana said she had an announcement to make.

Well it wasn’t Dodi’s baby, because she had literally met him on 15 July, and the press published the photo of her in a swimsuit and queried if she was pregnant on 20 July. Five days’ later.

So whose baby was it then?

AcquadiP · 28/01/2025 22:13

Serenster · 28/01/2025 21:51

And are you suggesting that the mysterious assassins tampered with all the seatbelts of all the cars in the Ritz garage, plus the car that Diana and Dodi had arrived at the Ritz in earlier that evening (a different car)?

As they could not have known in advance which car would be used to transport the couple back to Dodi’s apartment (as the decision to take a different car was made by Dodi and Henri Paul 30 minutes of so before they left), nor what side of the car Diana would be sitting in.

That seems farfetched!

Edited

Agreed.

Plus all these tampered-with seatbelts would scream to accident investigators ASSASSINATION rather than a tragic accident.

EdithWeston · 28/01/2025 22:14

JandamiHash · 28/01/2025 19:21

I remember hearing how APB was a real cad and ladies man and how every woman worth knowing wanted to land him in her bed because he was such a babe (Princess Anne included).

I googled him in his younger days.

Maybe you have to be upper class and go for the funny shaped skull look but I thought “Him? REALLY!”

He was one of Jilly's inspirations for Rupert Campbell-Black

Serenster · 28/01/2025 22:14

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 22:11

But those saying Mercedes tested the seatbelts are simply repeating untruths.

You are repeating plenty of untruths yourself though.

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 22:15

@Serenster I am not. But you are certainly throwing insults at me

AcquadiP · 28/01/2025 22:17

IdaGlossop · 28/01/2025 21:56

Of all the married-in Royal women, Camilla is by far the most impressive when it comes to her reaction - or lack of - to negative press coverage. She was reviled relentlessly for years in the most vulgar ways possible, her character and appearance attacked. She kept herself out of sight, with never a whisper of a reaction. Then, she was a model of restraint and grace when the time arrived for her to be introduced to the public. Now she is fully in the public eye as the consort of the head of state, she is always in good humour, knowing about the long-tail of nastiness in her wake. Admirable resiliance.

Completely agree.

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 28/01/2025 22:19

wordsworthundercover · 28/01/2025 21:37

She made mistakes. So did the men involved. Or is it only women who are supposed to be 'pure.'

Pmsl now I’ve heard it all.

I presume you go on to relationship threads where women have been cheated on and say that the OW “made a mistake”?

Nobody said the men she shagged weren’t at fault, but she knowingly and deliberately went after other women’s husbands. Not once, but multiple times.

She also had multiple affairs during her own marriage.

Getting involved with one married man could be perceived as a mistake.

Getting involved with multiple married men, harassing their wives and partners is a personality trait.

BMW6 · 28/01/2025 22:20

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 22:10

Why the nastiness?
I do not know who the father was. It may have been a very early pregnancy.

YOU'RE the one casting aspersions on Diana!

YOU'RE the one claiming she was pregnant by someone - other than Dodi Al Fayed who she'd only just met - so who is this mysterious Daddy?

You are painting her in a very bad light. Shame on you, I doubt she'd thank you for your nasty speculation.

IdaGlossop · 28/01/2025 22:20

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 21:59

Really!! You obviously only read the Royalist press. Not the press about her laughing at exotic throat singers, laughing at Native dancers, etc.
Camilla has friends in all the right places to make sure she gets good press coverage.

I don't only read the royalist press and am generally critical of the Royal family's privilege and approaches to further enriching themselves. That's the story royal correspondents should be covering. It's quite clear she racist. She was one of several members of the family struggling to contain their amusement at Harry and Meghan's wedding during the American preacher's sermon. No way should she be inviting Jeremy Clarkson after his offensive pronouncements on Meghan Markle. I suspect she's also lazy. Now, she knows how to play individual journalists but that's not always been the case.

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 28/01/2025 22:22

There wasn’t a baby.

And if there was, I imagine the jury would have been out.

ThisBrickPombear · 28/01/2025 22:24

Because she was such an icon some people find it unfathomable that she would have died in such an “ordinary” way. But sadly people die in car crashes every day. If she was wearing a seatbelt she would probably still be alive. That’s the sad truth. I don’t understand why people find the fact that she died in a tragic accident so hard to swallow.

BMW6 · 28/01/2025 22:25

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 28/01/2025 22:22

There wasn’t a baby.

And if there was, I imagine the jury would have been out.

I can't fathom what this means?

Zone2NorthLondon · 28/01/2025 22:25

Think of all the individuals who’d have to collude & maintain the conspiracy
Paramedics, ED staff, First responders, *Gendarmerie Forensics Accident investigators, lab staff,Embassy staff, national security staff, hotel staff *

That’s a lot of people to maintain a narrative
And None of these individuals ever is indiscreet?They all maintain untrue components of a made up story. Vanishing white cars, Pillars with unusual properties, Car chases, pregnancy….and no one talks,discloses or breaks under the pressure. No one in debt who sells some info?

conspiracy is embellished and emboldened narrative, a biiiig story
Truth? Truth is a RTA at speed with no seat belt resulting in catastrophic injuries and death in ED

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 22:26

BMW6 · 28/01/2025 22:20

YOU'RE the one casting aspersions on Diana!

YOU'RE the one claiming she was pregnant by someone - other than Dodi Al Fayed who she'd only just met - so who is this mysterious Daddy?

You are painting her in a very bad light. Shame on you, I doubt she'd thank you for your nasty speculation.

You think suggesting a woman may have been pregnant is casting aspersions?

I have noticed a lot of misogyny in the criticisms of Diana. The idea a woman could be pregnant by a man she is no longer in a relationship with is characterised as something terrible on the character of the woman. Very misognistic

GreenApplesRedApplesYellowApples · 28/01/2025 22:26

Serenster · 28/01/2025 22:09

Which is not an issue. The police - both here and in France - have their own forensic experts and conduct their own forensic processes because they are the one who conduct the investigation (that is literally their job). They are the experts in criminal evidence gathering rules and processes, which are finicky and extremely strict.

If you start bringing in independent experts you are likely to wind up with an issue that makes that evidence inadmissible.

But you do have independent experts and engineers work on crash cases. Airplane crashes come to mind. I can't see a conflict in BMW engineers looking at the wreckage, providing reports and feeding back to police. Surely this happens in accidents in which specialist tech may have failed? I can the timeline and occurrence of events being part of the police investigation, but I can't see police doing all the technical work themselves. Isn't this why expert witnesses are called to give evidence in cases that the police don't have technical remit in?

Happy to be corrected however!

Flindersonbark2896 · 28/01/2025 22:30

I don't tend to believe in conspiracy theories but was confused by several things relating to Henri-Paul.

The video of him standing in the foyer waiting for the lift which carried Dodi and Diana down to the ground floor is interesting because it shows HP bending down very niftily and tying his shoe laces and standing up again without a wobble. Strange for someone who was twice over the British legal limit.

This could be explained if he was a functioning alcoholic which his parents apparently denied but they were hardly unbiased.

The interesting thing though was not the equivalent of £102,000 in his thirteen different bank accounts when he died, and the equivalent of £2,000 in cash in his pocket, which could easily have been explained by him carrying out, or covering up, certain nefarious activities for Fayed, but the fact that in 1997, he was spending £600 a week on flying lessons.

The flying lessons are interesting because only three days before the crash, Paul passing an intensive medical examination for flying lessons which showed no signs of alcohol abuse. He apparently had a clean liver which is odd for a functioning alcoholic?

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/questions-that-won-t-go-away-6977861.html

The fact that the French authorities apparently couldn't trace the four ambulance drivers who stretchered Diana aboard the ambulance is odd to me as surely call-outs are all logged and they each have call numbers etc?

Equally odd is all of the stuff about Anderson photographer and the driver of the white Uno being found dead in his burned out car, with the door locked on the outside, 100 miles from where he told his family he was driving.

According to the article, "A month later, Andanson's offices in Paris - at the French HQ of the photo agency SIPA - were raided by three armed men in balaclavas. They shot a security guard in the foot, held screaming staff hostage for three hours before leaving with laptops, hard disks and cameras. The staff's frantic calls to the police went unheeded."

Also the issue of the cameras in the Alma tunnel?

Does anyone have further or better information on any of this? Have any of them been discredited since the article was published in 2012?

Questions that won't go away

The explosive publication of Diana's letter predicting her own death can only fuel the conspiracy theories that have refused to disappear since the tragedy.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/questions-that-won-t-go-away-6977861.html

BMW6 · 28/01/2025 22:31

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 22:26

You think suggesting a woman may have been pregnant is casting aspersions?

I have noticed a lot of misogyny in the criticisms of Diana. The idea a woman could be pregnant by a man she is no longer in a relationship with is characterised as something terrible on the character of the woman. Very misognistic

Lol nice try.

😂

EdithWeston · 28/01/2025 22:32

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 20:32

Diana's popularity was not on the wane. The papers and magazines carried mountains of stories about her.
The rumours in the press the week before was that she was pregnant. Diana herself said she had an announcement to make.

No they weren't.

And Diana's friends testified to the inquest about her menstruating less than a fortnight before her death. And there was testimony too about her being on the Pill (including which brand).

She wasn't pregnant.

wordsworthundercover · 28/01/2025 22:33

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 28/01/2025 22:19

Pmsl now I’ve heard it all.

I presume you go on to relationship threads where women have been cheated on and say that the OW “made a mistake”?

Nobody said the men she shagged weren’t at fault, but she knowingly and deliberately went after other women’s husbands. Not once, but multiple times.

She also had multiple affairs during her own marriage.

Getting involved with one married man could be perceived as a mistake.

Getting involved with multiple married men, harassing their wives and partners is a personality trait.

I don't go on relationship threads. I do think men should be blamed equally, perhaps more so when they cheat on their partners than the OW. Of course it's wrong to knowingly pursue married men. I don't think all the blame should be on Diana. I also think most people have done stupid, impulsive, selfish things. If she'd lived longer she may have tried to make amends. I certainly will not accept that these affairs cancel out her huge positive impact on some of the most disadvantaged people in the world. I value Mary Shelley's writing, even though her elopement with Shelley caused his pregnant, abandoned wife to commit suicide. She never expressed remorse either. Shall we cancel Frankenstein?

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 22:35

Flindersonbark2896 · 28/01/2025 22:30

I don't tend to believe in conspiracy theories but was confused by several things relating to Henri-Paul.

The video of him standing in the foyer waiting for the lift which carried Dodi and Diana down to the ground floor is interesting because it shows HP bending down very niftily and tying his shoe laces and standing up again without a wobble. Strange for someone who was twice over the British legal limit.

This could be explained if he was a functioning alcoholic which his parents apparently denied but they were hardly unbiased.

The interesting thing though was not the equivalent of £102,000 in his thirteen different bank accounts when he died, and the equivalent of £2,000 in cash in his pocket, which could easily have been explained by him carrying out, or covering up, certain nefarious activities for Fayed, but the fact that in 1997, he was spending £600 a week on flying lessons.

The flying lessons are interesting because only three days before the crash, Paul passing an intensive medical examination for flying lessons which showed no signs of alcohol abuse. He apparently had a clean liver which is odd for a functioning alcoholic?

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/questions-that-won-t-go-away-6977861.html

The fact that the French authorities apparently couldn't trace the four ambulance drivers who stretchered Diana aboard the ambulance is odd to me as surely call-outs are all logged and they each have call numbers etc?

Equally odd is all of the stuff about Anderson photographer and the driver of the white Uno being found dead in his burned out car, with the door locked on the outside, 100 miles from where he told his family he was driving.

According to the article, "A month later, Andanson's offices in Paris - at the French HQ of the photo agency SIPA - were raided by three armed men in balaclavas. They shot a security guard in the foot, held screaming staff hostage for three hours before leaving with laptops, hard disks and cameras. The staff's frantic calls to the police went unheeded."

Also the issue of the cameras in the Alma tunnel?

Does anyone have further or better information on any of this? Have any of them been discredited since the article was published in 2012?

Thanks for this. All very interesting.

BMW6 · 28/01/2025 22:39

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 22:26

You think suggesting a woman may have been pregnant is casting aspersions?

I have noticed a lot of misogyny in the criticisms of Diana. The idea a woman could be pregnant by a man she is no longer in a relationship with is characterised as something terrible on the character of the woman. Very misognistic

Perhaps in another week or two Dodi would have been so enraptured by Diana he'd have accepted her news that she was pregnant by another bloke with aplomb you reckon?

Grandpappy Mohammed Al Fayed just as thrilled?

You think?😂

Serenster · 28/01/2025 22:39

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 22:15

@Serenster I am not. But you are certainly throwing insults at me

Am I? I just repeated your exact words to other posters.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 28/01/2025 22:40

Mumtobabyhavoc · 28/01/2025 20:40

Obviously my opinion. 😂

I'm not stupid enough to admit to knowing it....😉

JoyousGreyOrca · 28/01/2025 22:40

Serenster · 28/01/2025 22:39

Am I? I just repeated your exact words to other posters.

Not true. I am just ignoring you from now on.

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