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He told his mom details on our financial set up!

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 13:11

Heads up: this is a very long post with lots of background info.

I am a 25 year old woman old engaged to my fiancé who is a 29 year old man. We have been dating since I was 19 and he was 24. When I say we are madly in love with each other we are madly in love with each other. We are each others first relationships. We mesh together perfectly. We had a bit of a long engagement not due to any issues at all in our relationship just because I was in college and my fiance was still getting figured out in his career.

We both met when we both didn’t have a lot of money I was living at home with my parents and he was living with an older man that used to be his neighbor who was renting out a small spare bedroom. Since then we grown into our careers and adults lives together. He moved and we did long distance for 16 months until I got everything together and was ready to move together into our apartment and then we got a house. once we moved into the house together we decided to start sharing finances and viewing things as “our” money instead of “his” or “her” money. We have a joint account where we would put all the money in that goes towards necessities such as bills and home repairs and groceries and what not. Then based on percentages we would take out our respective amounts of the joint account for the necessities. We then have our own separate account which our “fun money” goes in and then another joint account of a budgeted amount that our savings goes in that we don’t touch.

Then this way we have the same amount left over for fun things such as he has his truck hobby with his pick up truck that he owns that he likes to tinker with and I get a pedicure and my hair colored now and again or dinner out with friends stuff like that. This is the obvious way to do it to me bc obviously we operate as a team and engaged and not roommates so we want to make sure each other has the same amount to “toy around with” so to speak. We weren’t nickel and diming each other. He makes a little over 2 times what I make not that I don’t work just as hard it’s just our chosen careers which we are both very passionate about happen to pay that amount.

We would base what we contribute financially based on percentage so we still have the same money left over and I wouldn’t be stuck with nothing or very little while he has a lot more left over. To us that’s what being a team and getting married means. He pays the mortgage and I pay utilities such as electric, water, internet, toilet trees, I pay for our home delivery meal service that comes for dinners 5 nights a week. I also am responsible for cleaning the house and if there are home repair issues or something needs to be renovated like for example our master bathroom recently got redone I handle all that. Finding the contractors to come out and manning the job and picking out what we want.

We never argue about money and we are both very happy with this financial set up and we both feel it’s very fair and equal. Multiple people have commented on how it’s beautiful we are so in love and have built our lives up together after meeting each other when we both basically had nothing or very little to our name and they can’t wait for us to be married.

The one thing we disagree about is his mother. I feel my fiancé involves her very heavily in his/our life. She lives 13 hours away and my fiancé is the oldest and she has 2 younger sons. She has a big family lots of friends and isn’t lonely by any stretch yet my fiance tells her at any given time the exact home repairs we are doing, if something goes wrong with our home, if we happen to have less money than expected. They talk everyday or just about and I feel like it’s a bit overbearing and strange given she isn’t lonely. I don’t meet that many adults who want their parents that heavily involved in their personal lives. I think I would cry and feel suffocated if my mom was that involved in the knowing of everything that happens. Well the icing on top of the cake for me was he told his mom our exact financial arrangement/set up. He told her how we have our accounts set up, who contributes what, who pays what. The only thing he didn’t tell her was how much we have in those accounts.

i cried when he told me this because I said finances and inlaws/family don’t mix. I said I understand you are close to your mom and fine even though I find it annoying that she has to know every detail of our lives telling her our exact financial set up is not ok. I said I’m beginning to feel like his mom is a third person in our relationship and there is no reason she needs to be privy to our finances and how we have it set up. I said a couple’s finances is between them and them alone and a possible financial advisor who is a professional and not a biased party like a parent and of course our bank. Unless his mom is giving us money which we are independent adults on our own two feet so she isn’t. So absolutely no reason she needs knowledge on our banking info. To me that hooks be common sense. My fiancé and I have such a solid and close relationship I also underneath the anger feel very hurt and betrayed that without me there or even checking with me he just told his mom all our financial info not even thinking about my feelings. For her to know about such private information I feel “exposed” not in the physical sense but the mental sense.

I said when we get married I don’t want to feel like your mom is the third person in our marriage. He did apologize and explain he told her because she was just talking about finances in general and it flowed with the conversation but I told him I was still upset and just needed some alone time. Not alone time to rethink the relationship obviously because every relationship has issues once in a great while but just time to calm down.

Im sure we can all agree that given his mom that much access into our financial set up isn’t a good idea but AIBU to be this upset and worked up over it? I just feel there needs to be boundaries especially as an adult in a serious relationship. And maybe when you’re a teenager telling your parents every little thing is fine but I don’t want his mom living in our pocket.

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pizzaHeart · 23/01/2025 22:13

I didn’t read carefully the specifics of your financial set up and didn’t read all of your updates, only a few firsts and a few lasts. However my personal experience that you shouldn’t give your parents a detailed picture of your life with your partner. It never ends well. Going into details invites comments, judgments and advices from parents. I know not all parents are inferring type but somehow those who don’t incline to interfere usually teach their children to understand boundaries. I’m a bit suspicious that your partner felt obliged to share details of your financial arrangements after his mum mentioned about hers. He shouldn’t feel obliged to share anything about his life at this stage.
Im not saying not to share anything with parents, not at all, but certainly not about sex, money and disagreements. And you both should be on the same page with what to share or not.

But you were overreacting a bit at the very beginning. If you never had this conversation you couldn’t expect him to have the same views.

It’s great that you’ve are talking about this now.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 22:14

Namechangean · 23/01/2025 21:53

You have been told multiple times that the issue is not that you’ve asked for finances to be kept private but that you have reacted so strongly, given the silent treatment and cried. He didn’t even give specifics.

Then you have made disparaging about him being enmeshed and a mommy’s boy because he talks to her. You’ve over exaggerated her involvement in your relationship (none) just because he talks to her and gives her a rundown of what you have going on (renovations etc). You want him to talk to her less. You also want to control what he talks about. You haven’t asked him to keep stuff like that private, you have demanded it.

He’s not even allowed to keep his Christmas money. Seems like you benefit the most out of your financial set up, which is fine. I have joint finances with my wife, but it does make you question whether your concern is that someone might point that out

The Christmas thing his mom rudely left my name off the Christmas card. It’s rude when someone is in a committed relationship to not address both members of the couple on holiday cards. Etiquette is when a couple is living together and especially once engaged/married to address it to the couple. I highly doubt if an in law came on here and said they sent a Xmas card and didn’t address their child’s long term partner anyone would say that’s ok. It’s very strange given how old her son is and that we own a home together that this isn’t a joint card. He was the one who shared the Christmas money bc again he considers us a couple and money is commonly shared. He made this decision and he was the one who told his mom if she puts stipulations on the money and continues to rudely exclude and ignore his fiancé’s existence on the holidays not to bother. Most people would not say it’s a good idea for a MIL to leave her son’s future bride off the Xmas card. It’s a dude and pointed way of saying your relationship isn’t important.

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Growlybear83 · 23/01/2025 22:18

Good grief, you really are hard work, OP. You clearly loathe your mother in law, apart from being so obviously jealous of her relationship with her son, and will nit pick about anything you can find. I feel very sorry for her.

Alltheyellowbirds · 23/01/2025 22:21

SomethingStinky · 23/01/2025 22:02

It's toiletries 😂

Oh god, really 😂 I feel thick now. I think it was the capital letters that threw me off. Didn’t even think of putting the two words together, was just wracking my brains for American things.

I used to be really good at Dingbats too 🙄

Namechangean · 23/01/2025 22:22

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 22:14

The Christmas thing his mom rudely left my name off the Christmas card. It’s rude when someone is in a committed relationship to not address both members of the couple on holiday cards. Etiquette is when a couple is living together and especially once engaged/married to address it to the couple. I highly doubt if an in law came on here and said they sent a Xmas card and didn’t address their child’s long term partner anyone would say that’s ok. It’s very strange given how old her son is and that we own a home together that this isn’t a joint card. He was the one who shared the Christmas money bc again he considers us a couple and money is commonly shared. He made this decision and he was the one who told his mom if she puts stipulations on the money and continues to rudely exclude and ignore his fiancé’s existence on the holidays not to bother. Most people would not say it’s a good idea for a MIL to leave her son’s future bride off the Xmas card. It’s a dude and pointed way of saying your relationship isn’t important.

See, you cling on the fact that MIL was rude that one time while ignoring all of your own red flags

Elizo · 23/01/2025 22:25

I think they are just chatting about fairly mundane stuff. What is the actual problem?

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 22:26

Growlybear83 · 23/01/2025 22:18

Good grief, you really are hard work, OP. You clearly loathe your mother in law, apart from being so obviously jealous of her relationship with her son, and will nit pick about anything you can find. I feel very sorry for her.

Nick pick these are little micro aggressive passive aggressive things she does to exclude me sending a clear message. Also telling my fiancé even a month after we were engaged I wasn’t invited on vacation. Any MIL who came on here and mentioned these behaviors towards her son’s fiance would be told this isn’t a good idea as this could push your son away and the mother of your future GC.

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Bleachbum · 23/01/2025 22:40

By trying to control him like this, all you will do is ensure he keeps his convos with his mum private.

Have you considered why she clearly doesn’t like when when you live so far away? How can she even really know you if she doesn’t ever see you or speak to you?

For all you know she has got this negative impression of you from what her son tells her. Maybe on their daily chats he tells her about all the ways you are controlling, possessive, insecure etc?

You are trying to push her out of his life and make you his number 1. But if he is that close to his mum, that plan will never work.

You say that she hasn’t reached out to you or tried to form a bond with you. But how much effort have you put into forming a bond with her? Getting to know her? It is just as much your responsibility to try to have a relationship with her as it is her responsibility to have a relationship with you.

BIossomtoes · 23/01/2025 22:42

I’ve just tried to read just OP’s posts. There are six pages of them! This must be the biggest drip feed of all time.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 22:42

Bleachbum · 23/01/2025 22:40

By trying to control him like this, all you will do is ensure he keeps his convos with his mum private.

Have you considered why she clearly doesn’t like when when you live so far away? How can she even really know you if she doesn’t ever see you or speak to you?

For all you know she has got this negative impression of you from what her son tells her. Maybe on their daily chats he tells her about all the ways you are controlling, possessive, insecure etc?

You are trying to push her out of his life and make you his number 1. But if he is that close to his mum, that plan will never work.

You say that she hasn’t reached out to you or tried to form a bond with you. But how much effort have you put into forming a bond with her? Getting to know her? It is just as much your responsibility to try to have a relationship with her as it is her responsibility to have a relationship with you.

yes im about to be his wife of course I want to be number one. Do you really think a man should put his wife or soon to be wife secondary to his mom?

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sandyhappypeople · 23/01/2025 22:43

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 22:26

Nick pick these are little micro aggressive passive aggressive things she does to exclude me sending a clear message. Also telling my fiancé even a month after we were engaged I wasn’t invited on vacation. Any MIL who came on here and mentioned these behaviors towards her son’s fiance would be told this isn’t a good idea as this could push your son away and the mother of your future GC.

Any chance of clearing this up op.. you keep saying this but then you explained that it was you MIL and partner inviting their three children on holiday with them (so none of their children’s partners at all), that’s not really so unusual.

also the card she sent was addressed to him only that one time because it had a present in there for him. What about all the rest of the christmases?

if it’s only those two times you are actually CHOOSING to be offended, when no offence was intended.

Bleachbum · 23/01/2025 22:45

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 22:42

yes im about to be his wife of course I want to be number one. Do you really think a man should put his wife or soon to be wife secondary to his mom?

Yes, I don’t think that I should be more important than my DH’s mum. I don’t think she should be more important than me either. We aren’t in competition. My DH can love and value both of us. Tbh, the only people I want my DH to put above anyone are our children. But that’s a given for all parents I think.

Whoarethoseguys · 23/01/2025 22:49

Bleachbum · 23/01/2025 22:45

Yes, I don’t think that I should be more important than my DH’s mum. I don’t think she should be more important than me either. We aren’t in competition. My DH can love and value both of us. Tbh, the only people I want my DH to put above anyone are our children. But that’s a given for all parents I think.

I agree with this.

Namechangean · 23/01/2025 22:52

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 22:42

yes im about to be his wife of course I want to be number one. Do you really think a man should put his wife or soon to be wife secondary to his mom?

It shouldn’t be a competition. You have a different relationship with him. It’s such a weird thing to be jealous over. You leave him to it, he manages his relationship with his mum. You have a different relationship. You have given no example of him putting his mum first, apart from the frequency he speaks to her, but that just comes across as you being controlling and jealous

SomethingStinky · 23/01/2025 22:52

She planned a vacation with her, her husband, my fiance, and his brothers (we were engaged at the time and living together so rude I wasn’t invited) and when he said I will have to check our schedules she said she was only doing it the five of them

Were the other brothers partners invited or was it some quality time alone with their children? If either it was meant for just their children, or your fiance is the only one paired up, then it would make sense for it to just be them.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 22:56

sandyhappypeople · 23/01/2025 22:43

Any chance of clearing this up op.. you keep saying this but then you explained that it was you MIL and partner inviting their three children on holiday with them (so none of their children’s partners at all), that’s not really so unusual.

also the card she sent was addressed to him only that one time because it had a present in there for him. What about all the rest of the christmases?

if it’s only those two times you are actually CHOOSING to be offended, when no offence was intended.

But a Christmas card should have both members of the couple. It’s common that a cash gift like usually be used by the couple. And her husband(not her son’s father) can come but her son’s fiance can’t despite that they own a home together and engaged. It’s rude and poor etiquette to plan a family vacation and leave someone’s long term significant other out when they operate as a family. The person I’m sure her son considers family. That puts her son in a bad position and luckily he declined the invitation bc it wasn’t like I was invited and couldn’t go I was rudely excluded. This isn’t the smart way to treat your child’s significant other especially when they are about to be their spouse. It’s not starting the family relationship off on the right foot bc naturally they aren’t going to feel included and part of the family. This should be occurring over time and after 5 years and living together and establishing ourselves as an adult couple in a relationship it should be acknowledged as such and it’s very weird that at this stage im excluded off of holiday cards and vacation. This is normal if we weren’t living together or dating 6 months or in HS relationship but this is a repeated pattern first the Christmas card then the vacation of her not respecting the woman in her son’s life.

The dynamic has already been changed because it wasn’t a mother son trip where all SO were invited. His mother’s partner was invited who isn’t the son’s father so she wanted her relationship acknowledged while not acknowledging her son’s relationship.
seems very strange to me. This man didn’t help raise her sons. He came into my fiancé’s life when he was 18 so my fiancé certainly isn’t close to him.

Im told to respect his relationship with his mother but she isn’t respecting his relationship with his soon to be wife. Double standard and her relationship with her husband (We live together and this is 2025 so many many people are together long term and don’t marry doesn’t mean they should be excluded) is expected to be respected. The dynamic is already changed with him there so why can’t her son bring his fiancé? Weird to still treat her son like he is a young child going on a family vacation or in a high school relationship while not acknowledging the fact her son now has what he considers his family and own home. It’s weird she thinks she can dictate who he is allowed to bring on vacation.

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Namechangean · 23/01/2025 22:58

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 22:56

But a Christmas card should have both members of the couple. It’s common that a cash gift like usually be used by the couple. And her husband(not her son’s father) can come but her son’s fiance can’t despite that they own a home together and engaged. It’s rude and poor etiquette to plan a family vacation and leave someone’s long term significant other out when they operate as a family. The person I’m sure her son considers family. That puts her son in a bad position and luckily he declined the invitation bc it wasn’t like I was invited and couldn’t go I was rudely excluded. This isn’t the smart way to treat your child’s significant other especially when they are about to be their spouse. It’s not starting the family relationship off on the right foot bc naturally they aren’t going to feel included and part of the family. This should be occurring over time and after 5 years and living together and establishing ourselves as an adult couple in a relationship it should be acknowledged as such and it’s very weird that at this stage im excluded off of holiday cards and vacation. This is normal if we weren’t living together or dating 6 months or in HS relationship but this is a repeated pattern first the Christmas card then the vacation of her not respecting the woman in her son’s life.

The dynamic has already been changed because it wasn’t a mother son trip where all SO were invited. His mother’s partner was invited who isn’t the son’s father so she wanted her relationship acknowledged while not acknowledging her son’s relationship.
seems very strange to me. This man didn’t help raise her sons. He came into my fiancé’s life when he was 18 so my fiancé certainly isn’t close to him.

Im told to respect his relationship with his mother but she isn’t respecting his relationship with his soon to be wife. Double standard and her relationship with her husband (We live together and this is 2025 so many many people are together long term and don’t marry doesn’t mean they should be excluded) is expected to be respected. The dynamic is already changed with him there so why can’t her son bring his fiancé? Weird to still treat her son like he is a young child going on a family vacation or in a high school relationship while not acknowledging the fact her son now has what he considers his family and own home. It’s weird she thinks she can dictate who he is allowed to bring on vacation.

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Was she offering to pay for it?

user1471453601 · 23/01/2025 23:02

My family's finances run on the principle of from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs. And I have no problem at all for anyone to know this.

If they tried to interfere they'd get very short shrift.

Has your partners mother tried to interfere?

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 23:08

Namechangean · 23/01/2025 22:58

Was she offering to pay for it?

Nope she wasn’t offering to pay and if she was again rude to do for one half of the couple and not the other. There was a post on here recently asking if I pay for my son to go on vacation do I have to invite his girlfriend. They were only 20 and 21 I think and pretty much unanimously it was agreed upon that not only should you invite her if you pay for your son you should pay for her as well. That was a dating relationship and they weren’t living together. We should be treated as a unit in terms of holiday cards and vacations as this point. Not in everyday life but big things like that yes if you do for one you do for the other.

my parents live in the same area as my in laws and they have always included my now fiance from the time we started dating it was just assumed he was invited on vacations, family functions, included in holidays. In fact when he moved for his job my parents took us out to dinner and paid for my then BF and I as a good luck dinner to my bf. They don’t call him on the phone but they are constantly asking about him, including him in cards, acknowledging his birthday. In fact my parents and sister invited me and fiancé on a vacation somewhere and my fiancé wasn’t going to be able to make it bc it was a real busy time with his job and they WAITED until my fiance could go to go on the vacation. My fiance would never ask that of them but they did it out of the kindness of their own heart bc that’s the type of people they are.

Making a genuine effort with him and he has a great relationship with my parents as a result. Whereas you look at my MIL and she ignores my existence and my relationship to her son on Christmas, she leaves me out of vacations. When we are visiting our home town as a result guess who we visit more and make a lot more of an effort with? My family bc they make my soon to be husband feel welcome and like a valued part of the family not just as their daughters’ fiance. They view him as a person and they would be mortified to ask me to tell him he isn’t invited on what is deemed to be a family vacation. It’s just natural you are going to prioritize the family where you feel welcome.

this is like very basic low expectations include your child’s long term adult partner on holiday cards and don’t exclude them from vacations. I’m not asking her to call me everyday or leave me in the will but basic courtesy goes a long way bc the way someone makes you feel is going to determine how much of an effort the person is going to put in. My friends who have children whose MILs made them feel shitty or who didn’t acknowledge their relationship with their son all don’t exactly jump to foster a relationship between their child and their child’s grandmother bc why should they when she was made clear she isn’t family and isn’t acknowledged. I’m not saying that’s ok I’m just stating that’s a pattern I notice whereas the friends who have kind and welcoming FMILs/MILs do tend to take the initiative in fostering a relationship between her and her grandchildren. That’s human nature you are going to go out of your way for people wi make you feel welcome.

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PeppyGreenFinch · 23/01/2025 23:22

There was a post on here recently asking if I pay for my son to go on vacation do I have to invite his girlfriend. They were only 20 and 21 I think and pretty much unanimously it was agreed upon that not only should you invite her if you pay for your son you should pay for her as well. That was a dating relationship and they weren’t living together.

Sorry, but I don’t think would happen. Yes, a few people would say invite and pay for the girlfriend no way would the majority say to invite the girlfriend and pay for her, especially as you say they didn’t even live together.

PeppyGreenFinch · 23/01/2025 23:26

And her husband(not her son’s father) can come but her son’s fiance can’t despite that they own a home together and engaged. It’s rude and poor etiquette to plan a family vacation and leave someone’s long term significant other out when they operate as a family. The person I’m sure her son considers family.

I suspect she was trying to give her son a break from you so he could see the wood for
the trees.

Namechangean · 23/01/2025 23:36

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 23:08

Nope she wasn’t offering to pay and if she was again rude to do for one half of the couple and not the other. There was a post on here recently asking if I pay for my son to go on vacation do I have to invite his girlfriend. They were only 20 and 21 I think and pretty much unanimously it was agreed upon that not only should you invite her if you pay for your son you should pay for her as well. That was a dating relationship and they weren’t living together. We should be treated as a unit in terms of holiday cards and vacations as this point. Not in everyday life but big things like that yes if you do for one you do for the other.

my parents live in the same area as my in laws and they have always included my now fiance from the time we started dating it was just assumed he was invited on vacations, family functions, included in holidays. In fact when he moved for his job my parents took us out to dinner and paid for my then BF and I as a good luck dinner to my bf. They don’t call him on the phone but they are constantly asking about him, including him in cards, acknowledging his birthday. In fact my parents and sister invited me and fiancé on a vacation somewhere and my fiancé wasn’t going to be able to make it bc it was a real busy time with his job and they WAITED until my fiance could go to go on the vacation. My fiance would never ask that of them but they did it out of the kindness of their own heart bc that’s the type of people they are.

Making a genuine effort with him and he has a great relationship with my parents as a result. Whereas you look at my MIL and she ignores my existence and my relationship to her son on Christmas, she leaves me out of vacations. When we are visiting our home town as a result guess who we visit more and make a lot more of an effort with? My family bc they make my soon to be husband feel welcome and like a valued part of the family not just as their daughters’ fiance. They view him as a person and they would be mortified to ask me to tell him he isn’t invited on what is deemed to be a family vacation. It’s just natural you are going to prioritize the family where you feel welcome.

this is like very basic low expectations include your child’s long term adult partner on holiday cards and don’t exclude them from vacations. I’m not asking her to call me everyday or leave me in the will but basic courtesy goes a long way bc the way someone makes you feel is going to determine how much of an effort the person is going to put in. My friends who have children whose MILs made them feel shitty or who didn’t acknowledge their relationship with their son all don’t exactly jump to foster a relationship between their child and their child’s grandmother bc why should they when she was made clear she isn’t family and isn’t acknowledged. I’m not saying that’s ok I’m just stating that’s a pattern I notice whereas the friends who have kind and welcoming FMILs/MILs do tend to take the initiative in fostering a relationship between her and her grandchildren. That’s human nature you are going to go out of your way for people wi make you feel welcome.

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Again you sound really controlling. That’s the way you want things to be done and I’m not saying it’s unreasonable to want your future MIL to include you. But you don’t get to control her and how she wants to manage her relationship with her son. People go on holidays away from their partners all the time. You don’t have to live in one another’s pocket. You being there changes the dynamic. She’s just invited her children and she doesn’t have to follow your rules of ‘etiquette’. Your DP is certainly within his rights to decline the invitation. And it’s good he’s on the same page as you, he doesn’t want to go without you. Great. But what if he did? What if he said yes to going because it’s a family tradition or his last opportunity to spend time alone with his family before getting married?

WtP · 23/01/2025 23:37

No I'm going to retract my previous apology @ThisQuickJadeWasp you have as my mother used to say Verbal Diarrhoea.

sandyhappypeople · 23/01/2025 23:39

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 22:56

But a Christmas card should have both members of the couple. It’s common that a cash gift like usually be used by the couple. And her husband(not her son’s father) can come but her son’s fiance can’t despite that they own a home together and engaged. It’s rude and poor etiquette to plan a family vacation and leave someone’s long term significant other out when they operate as a family. The person I’m sure her son considers family. That puts her son in a bad position and luckily he declined the invitation bc it wasn’t like I was invited and couldn’t go I was rudely excluded. This isn’t the smart way to treat your child’s significant other especially when they are about to be their spouse. It’s not starting the family relationship off on the right foot bc naturally they aren’t going to feel included and part of the family. This should be occurring over time and after 5 years and living together and establishing ourselves as an adult couple in a relationship it should be acknowledged as such and it’s very weird that at this stage im excluded off of holiday cards and vacation. This is normal if we weren’t living together or dating 6 months or in HS relationship but this is a repeated pattern first the Christmas card then the vacation of her not respecting the woman in her son’s life.

The dynamic has already been changed because it wasn’t a mother son trip where all SO were invited. His mother’s partner was invited who isn’t the son’s father so she wanted her relationship acknowledged while not acknowledging her son’s relationship.
seems very strange to me. This man didn’t help raise her sons. He came into my fiancé’s life when he was 18 so my fiancé certainly isn’t close to him.

Im told to respect his relationship with his mother but she isn’t respecting his relationship with his soon to be wife. Double standard and her relationship with her husband (We live together and this is 2025 so many many people are together long term and don’t marry doesn’t mean they should be excluded) is expected to be respected. The dynamic is already changed with him there so why can’t her son bring his fiancé? Weird to still treat her son like he is a young child going on a family vacation or in a high school relationship while not acknowledging the fact her son now has what he considers his family and own home. It’s weird she thinks she can dictate who he is allowed to bring on vacation.

Edited

So it WAS just those two incidents then.. thought so! Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill, you seem to play the victim at every opportunity, it must be exhausting to be around you.

So his mum and partner planned the vacation and wanted to take the three children with them, of course they were paying for it, it wouldn't be up to them who came if they weren't planning and paying for it, so they were being fair by inviting their children and no partners along, your MILs partner doesn't count in this instance because they were the ones planning and paying for it, so to try and say if he's going you should go is entitled in the extreme.

I think it is obvious from your ramblings why your MIL has nothing to do with you, you are hell bent on making everything revolve around you and that's just now how healthy relationships work.

HollyKnight · 23/01/2025 23:47

And her husband(not her son’s father) can come but her son’s fiance can’t despite that they own a home together and engaged.

Her husband is her family. It doesn't matter that he isn't her son's father - it wasn't her son's family holiday. It was her and her family - husband and children. Her son's girlfriend is not her family. Ergo her husband was invited and you weren't.

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